Type Battle! Week 4 (2/6)

Jared Benson
6.Feb.2006 6.37pm
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TYPE BATTLE: Week 4 (6 Feb)

Here's your chance to stretch your type muscles on a weekly basis. Each game kicks off on Monday with a new challenge, and closes at midnight PST on Friday. Anyone may submit a design response to the challenge. You may enter as often as you wish. Post anytime. Critiques and comments are welcome throughout the game, from participants and spectators alike. Smack talk is encouraged.

Winner take all, no holds barred. May be the best designer win.

Link directly to this thread: http://www.typophile.com/battle04

Requirements:

- Size: 600 width x 400 height. 72 dpi
- Color: Black and white only
- Format: Please save your graphics as PNG
- Only respond with the characters posted in the challenge.

// THIS WEEK'S CHALLENGE:
// Design two ligatures for Cooper Black and set them in context. Bonus points for any ligature no one's seen before.

dezcom
6.Feb.2006 7.20pm
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Trial balloon number one

ChrisL


Mark Simonson
6.Feb.2006 7.52pm
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What a perfectly ridiculous idea.

Hmm.


istitch
6.Feb.2006 9.23pm
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i hope the double "ist" ligature counts...

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nc


Grant Hutchinson
6.Feb.2006 9.35pm
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I decided to give the italic a crank...

The 'di' needs some work... a little too swoopy.
But I think the classic 'ct' ligature works well enough.


fractal
6.Feb.2006 11.53pm
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I think I posted this one to the ether earlier...

pd


cheshiredave
7.Feb.2006 12.58am
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There's been a disappointing lack of trash talking lately, so... EAT THIS, SUCKAS!


timd
7.Feb.2006 3.40am
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That would be good if you'd used the full name of the beer and not mispelt it and the pr needs kerning.

:)


nicholasgross
7.Feb.2006 5.30am
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hmmm, no illustrator at home, but I do have p/shop 6


G T
7.Feb.2006 5.59am
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may i ask - being as i know squat - what the difference is between a ligature and the swashes from week 2?

much appreciation...


paul d hunt
7.Feb.2006 6.30am
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[[ligature]]
vs.
swash


G T
7.Feb.2006 6.44am
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thankye very much mr.Hunt.

now, where can i get cooper black for free as i don't have it?


pica pusher
7.Feb.2006 6.55am
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I followed istitch's example and went with a triple-letter ligature... this is one that really should be its own letter, considering its phonetic butchery:


Jared Benson
7.Feb.2006 7.18am
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I've kept my 'ch' ligature more on the beefy side, tho it lacks the flair of Grant's 'ct'.


paul d hunt
7.Feb.2006 7.53am
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now, where can i get cooper black for free as i don’t have it?

then you'll just hafta freehand all your work. >^P (we don't do free)


dezcom
7.Feb.2006 9.34am
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Picapusher,
You should do your "dg" lig in Cooper for this as well?

ChrisL


G T
7.Feb.2006 9.43am
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fair do, I understand. i'm just skint as ever. cheers.


timd
7.Feb.2006 10.04am
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upper and lower case versions
Tim


Stephan Kurz
7.Feb.2006 10.34am
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Fraktur fonts used to have tz ligs... Bonus for the fa lig?


> now, where can i get cooper black for free as i don’t have it?
My way was to use the "text to display" thing at http://www.linotype.com/284/cooperblack-family.html and then alter the image.


pica pusher
7.Feb.2006 11.05am
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done, and, done.


dezcom
7.Feb.2006 11.22am
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Through and through, here is mine too:

ChrisL


pica pusher
7.Feb.2006 11.29am
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The mutant g sprouting antlers to become a gh ghets mad props.


dezcom
7.Feb.2006 11.52am
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Here it is with the ough as one lig:

ChrisL


Glen Villegas
7.Feb.2006 11.55am
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Here's a quick sketch.

GOV


Glen Villegas
7.Feb.2006 11.59am
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It just occured to me that the grammar is incorrect. Opps. Hopefully you guys can overlook that and appreciate the ligatures.

:)

GOV


Miss Tiffany
7.Feb.2006 12.06pm
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Go, Chris! How about one long bouma? ;^)


dezcom
7.Feb.2006 12.11pm
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Cheshiredave,
I am diggin' your "t-o" lig but please don't send it to Terrel Owens, he does not deserve it :-)

ChrisL


dezcom
7.Feb.2006 12.14pm
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we are bouma-lacka, bouma-lacka, bouum, boum, boum :-)

ChrisL


Zara Evens
7.Feb.2006 12.37pm
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Really interesting stuff, all. I'm quite fond of the gh ligs from both Pica and Chris.

And in the spirit of battle, I have to call out the presence of many swashes trying to pass themselves off as ligatures. :)

Now I'd better get to work on mine.


dezcom
7.Feb.2006 12.50pm
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OK Tiff, we no-longer lacka bouma:

ChrisL


pica pusher
7.Feb.2006 12.54pm
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In terms of fontellectual property, would it be fair use to post an EPS of the outlines of an alphabet from the font in question so the font-poor among us could still sink their teeth into it?

(and is this maybe a question for a different forum?)


dezcom
7.Feb.2006 12.55pm
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Does it count if it is all one big lig?

ChrisL


pica pusher
7.Feb.2006 12.57pm
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That bo is tricky; I read bama. (which is ideal for the crimson tide, but I suspect not what you had in mind)


istitch
7.Feb.2006 1.05pm
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i'm gonna say that that's not ok to post the outlines.

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nc


Miss Tiffany
7.Feb.2006 1.22pm
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Outlines?


nicholasgross
7.Feb.2006 1.41pm
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yeah on second thoughts, mine are more swashy then liggy,
you got me
i'll get my coat


pica pusher
7.Feb.2006 2.05pm
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last one from me I promise: in this case, form certainly does not follow


julianne
7.Feb.2006 2.20pm
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that last one is approaching cooper black script


dezcom
7.Feb.2006 2.29pm
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That is a real fun one Pica, makes me want to go and ask my doctor for a ct scan :-)

ChrisL

PS: Your edgy dg Cooper is brill dude!


Zara Evens
7.Feb.2006 2.48pm
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i’ll get my coat

No, you shall stay and try again!


Brendan Callahan
7.Feb.2006 3.21pm
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i had to jump into the ring on this one


kris
7.Feb.2006 4.07pm
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Get ligs or die tryin'.

Who wants to step up and get their ligatures cracked?
by my man Kris from the 'ville with his mad letter-track.


dezcom
7.Feb.2006 4.15pm
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Sounds like wristy business Kris :-)

ChrisL


kris
7.Feb.2006 4.18pm
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Chris L whacks back with his slack 'Coop Black,
but he still knows yo that Kris is his big daddy mack!


dewitte
7.Feb.2006 4.28pm
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dezcom
7.Feb.2006 4.48pm
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Maybe I would fight better with my:

ChrisL


dezcom
7.Feb.2006 5.03pm
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Another way is to use:

ChrisL


dezcom
7.Feb.2006 5.11pm
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The k from 'Zland is comin' to tramp
I float like a butterfly sting like a bee.
Muhammed was heavy-weight champ
using 2 fisted ligas and bookin' with me!

ChrisL


kris
7.Feb.2006 5.47pm
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Zero decorum goin' down in da forum,
Amatuers be playin'
I know there's no delayin'

Witness this:
The Dezcom Diss!


jujube
7.Feb.2006 6.25pm
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I'm such a newbie at this. But this is fun!


- Jen


dezcom
7.Feb.2006 6.48pm
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OK, time for a fun one--that often desired double g :-)

ChrisL


dezcom
7.Feb.2006 6.56pm
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Yo be diss this and kiss this
from yo southern exposure
I be takin' what yo makin'
needs a non-diss-closure

You can take it on the Lamb yo New Zealand jam
don't get soggy eaten froggy from Souvlaki man!

ChrisL


fractal
7.Feb.2006 11.51pm
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That froggy Gee is just outstanding!

wow - you guys are blowing my mind

pd


dtw
8.Feb.2006 1.12am
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I tried to do 'gg' but gave up!

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filoug
8.Feb.2006 4.15am
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guess, had a similar idea as dezcom...


timd
8.Feb.2006 7.21am
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I really can't get the hang of this smack talk business.
Tim


pica pusher
8.Feb.2006 7.30am
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wwwhat was that?

These are nice guys - I like jujube's ky and there are definite bonus points due for the "k!" as I never would have considered that combo and I even failed to notice that it was a ligature until the third time I looked at it.

But, all your efforts pale against the majusculigatures...


dezcom
8.Feb.2006 7.55am
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I guess I wasn't quick enough on the trigger to get my own "quick" out there first. It is different at least. Amazing how different the same word can be to 2 different people.

ChrisL


dezcom
8.Feb.2006 8.02am
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dg,
Your AG is smoothe, nice flow.
Since you did the MB, how about add an A and make those Harvard MBA folks want one?

ChrisL


dezcom
8.Feb.2006 8.03am
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Thanks Fractal!

ChrisL


dan_reynolds
8.Feb.2006 8.52am
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fontime
8.Feb.2006 9.05am
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This battle its' a great and simply idea !!


dave bailey
8.Feb.2006 9.55am
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I'm late on this...couldn't decide on the t/u lig so I did 3 diff. versions.


Joe Pemberton
8.Feb.2006 10.10am
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Very nice stuff everybody.


forrest boone
8.Feb.2006 3.03pm
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how do i post my entry


Zara Evens
8.Feb.2006 4.10pm
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Forrest, in order to upload an image you need to have the Flash 8 player installed. You'll then see an "insert image" link below the comment field.

Please upload a B&W PNG, 600px in width.


fractal
8.Feb.2006 4.19pm
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holy smokes - ligature #2 is gorgeous David.

Sorry, can't trash-talk.

That ga combo... sheesh - this is humbling, but moreover, it is educational/inspirational for me.

pd


Zara Evens
8.Feb.2006 4.27pm
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Dan, I love the interrobang.
Pica, great AG lig.

So far, Tim's www is my very favorite. Well done. There is something about the pattern Cooper creates, as in this ligature -- chunky, squishy, soft and a quite lovable. Looks a bit like something you could rest on. :)

As I said in the Franklin Gothic Swash battle, I really enjoy seeing those entries which have the potential of working quite well in the existing typeface (which is what I consider to be one of the most important factors in this battle).

z


dave bailey
8.Feb.2006 5.05pm
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holy smokes - ligature #2 is gorgeous David.
Sorry, can’t trash-talk.
That ga combo… sheesh - this is humbling, but moreover, it is educational/inspirational for me.
pd

Thanks! :-D The only thing I see now that I would change is making the connection on the li lig a bit heavier to match the Black weight of the typeface as a whole. I had some fun with this week's battle...I'm glad I could be educational/inspirational. It's usually the other way around...I haven't even finished school yet! This community is a great place.

There's a lot of other ligs in this thread that are great as well...I can only hope to reach the level of some of the designers here, someday. :-)


duncan
8.Feb.2006 5.11pm
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WOW! Everybody really went off on this one.

Do these count as vertical ligatures?


joe
8.Feb.2006 5.22pm
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hmmm...?!


dezcom
8.Feb.2006 5.29pm
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Fabulous ur lig Joe! and the e? is boumaing :-)

ChrisL


dezcom
8.Feb.2006 5.32pm
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I thought I would post the tree of my 2 and 3 glyph ligs that I made to keep track of them:

ChrisL


duncan
8.Feb.2006 5.43pm
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One more try with no attempt at vertical ligatures.


dezcom
8.Feb.2006 5.47pm
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Duncan, now add snap and crackle :-)

ChrisL


dave bailey
8.Feb.2006 5.59pm
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Hey Duncan, just a tip for ya! When you create ligatures the area of combined strokes should only be as heavy (weight-wise) as a single stroke. Ligature does mean 'joined' but if you look at a standard æ lig it looks like it's just one stroke down the middle that is both the right side of the a glyph and left side of the e glyph. Your ligatures right now for the most part are doubly wide where they join. It draws the eye directly to that part of the combination because it is optically darker than the rest. Take a look at some of the other examples and I think you'll see what I'm saying! :-D Of course I'm no expert, just trying to help!


scbob
8.Feb.2006 6.03pm
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I figured I'd throw in a few deep south inspired ligatures.

Bob

Edit: fixed "y'all"


etothev
8.Feb.2006 9.08pm
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quick stab at it


typotheticals
8.Feb.2006 9.08pm
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duncan
8.Feb.2006 9.57pm
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David,

Thanks for the advice. I am on here to learn. I have no formal education in the field of typography, so I welcome any advice that you or anyone else on here has to offer.

Also, Dezcom, thanks for the encouragement.

Here's what I came up with...

Duncan


Geoff Riding
8.Feb.2006 10.26pm
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I went slightly overboard with my first post here. ;)

I love all the work you've all done in the previous Type Battle!(s), I am wayy out of my league here.

EDIT: Posted image of a different version of the 'ed' ligature

Comments are welcome.


joe
9.Feb.2006 4.18am
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Can anybody still read this? Bit too much maybe.


G T
9.Feb.2006 4.28am
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found cooper black on my old computer...


dezcom
9.Feb.2006 4.49am
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drain

It is hard to read but kudos for the extra effort! This is the way we learn.

ChrisL


dezcom
9.Feb.2006 5.09am
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Duncan,
Now you are a cerial killer :-)

ChrisL


Jan Sandvik
9.Feb.2006 5.42am
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jazzsammich
9.Feb.2006 6.27am
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duncan
9.Feb.2006 7.56am
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aw... I'm jut not a morning person.

Joe> I like your "drain". It may not be easily to read, but the challenge makes it interesting. Maybe it would serve better as a logo?


k.l.
9.Feb.2006 12.02pm
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Mr Lozos, will you license the gg ligature? Never found a good solution for gg myself ... ;-)


dezcom
9.Feb.2006 2.44pm
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Sure Karsten, I would be happy to. :-)

ChrisL


EL Sedoudi
9.Feb.2006 4.46pm
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First post, throwing some spanish on ya.

Suggestions welcome please!

Mr. Double R is a bit grumpy.