Typophile - I am stuck with this - Comments

Hey g_u_y_t, This is not a

sebsan — Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:38:03 -0800

Hey g_u_y_t,

This is not a logo, it’s practise. It doesn’t have to stand the test of time. I was hoping to get criticism on its formal aspect. Hopefuly, that way I can learn a bit about caligraphy and type.

Hi im new here i dont think

g_u_y_t — Wed, 9 Nov 2005 04:16:25 -0800

Hi im new here

i dont think the logo will stand for more then a year,
this flowers look too trendy , and if you’d like it to stand
for long, i would suggest that you listen to
the ppl who talked about the thick and the thin.

I would go for the second

levonk — Mon, 7 Nov 2005 23:25:34 -0800

I would go for the second one. It has a bit more symmetry; the swashes enclose the whole design, and it is more balanced. Closer to what david shows with “Honor”.

You still need to contrast between the swashes and the letters, and Eben’s concept may work. It will be something “un-expectable” but ...

> Frankly, I fear this is

david hamuel — Mon, 7 Nov 2005 17:08:55 -0800

> Frankly, I fear this is becoming committee-designed!

> The first one has a lot of juice, playfulness, and the weight distribution on the swashes really is fine

> For a logo, it can be very lively and messy

???

This is maybe

Eben Sorkin — Mon, 7 Nov 2005 13:54:01 -0800

This is maybe counter-intuitive but what about making the swashes even thinker/juicier? That would be contrast too.

Hey Carl, You’re right, I

sebsan — Mon, 7 Nov 2005 13:15:53 -0800

Hey Carl,

You’re right, I have maybe followed people’s advice a little too close. I guess the first one had something really fresh about it and I lost it in the last one. I will look into it a make sure I go back to that juicy spontanious swashes I had originaly drawn.

Thanks

Frankly, I fear this is

crossgrove — Mon, 7 Nov 2005 11:53:14 -0800

Frankly, I fear this is becoming committee-designed!

Flip back from the latest sample to the first. The first one has a lot of juice, playfulness, and the weight distribution on the swashes really is fine (This coming from an inveterate calligrapher). In the later versions all the fun is being canceled out and logical-ized. For a logo, it can be very lively and messy; see some of Ed Benguiat’s early copperplate confections. The only thing I would change about the original is to find a way to balance the density of the decorative strokes around Lunch in the middle. There could be more ornament to the left of L, less density above and more below. Otherwise I think it is very distinctive. Underware does things like this with hand lettering, and it can be very pleasing, without being undecipherable.

Sebsan, I like the

Chris Rugen — Mon, 7 Nov 2005 08:35:54 -0800

Sebsan, I like the improvements you’ve made so far. However, I miss the teardrop terminals.

Pen direction would be

Brian_ — Sun, 6 Nov 2005 21:21:54 -0800

Pen direction would be “from point a to point b”; pen angle would be what angle you are holding the pen. In general, or I guess in basic calligraphy anyways, you would keep these fairly consistent. From a speedball book on italic:

“The pen...is usually held between 30º and 40º for the miniscules and 25º for the capitals. The letters slant 5º to 7º to the baseline. Steepen the pen angle on the bold diagonal strokes to achieve a more even weight.”

The letters are definitely brush-based so perhaps experimenting with a brush is a better suggestion.

Sebsan..just leave it to us to take the fun out of calligraphy. :)

Don’t kill yourself. Wait

david hamuel — Sun, 6 Nov 2005 14:32:25 -0800

Don’t kill yourself. Wait a day or two; try another one; and try another one without the “pretzel” (the h)

Thanks. It’s a sickness, I

Mark Simonson — Sun, 6 Nov 2005 14:19:14 -0800

Thanks. It’s a sickness, I know, but at least some good comes out of it.

Re: Lunch—I liked the previous one better.

Latest improvements. The

sebsan — Sun, 6 Nov 2005 13:50:51 -0800

Latest improvements. The type and the flourish don’t seem to match?!

lunch

I quit for tonight or I am going to go coucou. By the way Mark, I really enjoy your articles about anachronistic type in movies. Very funy!

As you know, piano playing

david hamuel — Sun, 6 Nov 2005 12:17:47 -0800

As you know, piano playing needs a lot of practice. So the same - just practice.

Thanks, I really appreciate

sebsan — Sun, 6 Nov 2005 12:01:54 -0800

Thanks, I really appreciate your advice. This little—huge now—exercise is taking all my time and it makes my realise what a hard job it is to draw type.

Good advice.

Mark Simonson — Sun, 6 Nov 2005 11:21:11 -0800

Good advice.

I am stuck with this

sebsan — Sat, 5 Nov 2005 08:01:51 -0800

Hi,

I am trying a little exercice which is harder than I thought, I am not a typographer and I guess that shows.
What should I do to improve this logotype.

Thanks