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Sorry Georg, Stempel

cicciorli.2007 — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 00:18:30 -0700

Sorry Georg, Stempel Garamond doesn’t match at all!
the metal alphabet sample, quite beautiful, that you have posted makes me think to the scangraphic digital version (garamond SB) that I use sometimes
c.

I’ld say: Stempel

Bleisetzer — Mon, 10 Mar 2008 11:22:55 -0700

I’ld say: Stempel Garamond

Gruppe II - Französische Renaissance-Antiqua - Garamond (Stempel)
D.Stempel AG, Frankfurt am Main
Erstguß 1925
Rudolf Wolf

Georg
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Cicciorli: can you get in

verbosus — Mon, 10 Mar 2008 03:35:30 -0700

Cicciorli: can you get in touch with me privately? My email address and contact details are on my home page.

I can’t tell which kind of

cicciorli.2007 — Sun, 9 Mar 2008 10:53:11 -0700

I can’t tell which kind of Granjon it is. I’m sure it’s a Granjon because I know for sure that Einaudi printed books using only two typefaces before the Garamond of F. Simoncini: Bodoni and Granjon. I’ll try to ask some old typographer of the Editor to get more precise information about the question (and maybe a sample of the alphabet).
c.

a further note on the einaudi garamond: it has really nothing to do with the simoncini garamond you can purchase for example from adobe, linotype, scangraphic, urw or e&f. this one’s a real masterpiece, drawn so close to the metal exemplar.
c.

Do you know what Granjon was

bowfinpw — Sun, 9 Mar 2008 08:00:05 -0700

Do you know what Granjon was used? Can you show us a sample of the alphabet? Estienne was based on Granjon. Other Granjon samples I have seen did not match the posted sample, in particular the long center arm of the E, and the ascender and descender length. The R of Estienne is also supposed to differ from Granjon. G.W. Jones also designed the Linotype version of Granjon shown in Jaspert and designed Estienne a few years later.

- Mike Yanega

Hi folks, The font used for

cicciorli.2007 — Sun, 9 Mar 2008 06:18:09 -0700

Hi folks,
The font used for this edition of Montale’s Occasioni is Granjon (metal). Einaudi uses Garamond Simoncini from 1958; a true digitalisation of the metal type designed for Einaudi by Francesco Simoncini at the Traldi Industries in Bologna (made by Apple Computers in the early 90’s) is owned today only by those few who work for Einaudi. That’s my case: I’ve got the MacOS and the Win Type 1 and TT version of the Einaudi Garamond font which includes also CE set and SC (known as Garamond-100) but obviously I can’t distribute it. I do declare it’s just of the best text font you can use on a QuarkXPress or InDesign layout!!
c.

You’re welcome. I get

bowfinpw — Tue, 5 Feb 2008 15:35:55 -0800

You’re welcome. I get satisfaction finding one like this, but I must say that coming to Sydney to collect that beer might be a fun trip!

Just a tip for future quests like this — the Serif Font ID Guide could have found this. I tried using it after doing it the hard way, and Estienne was one of 59 possible choices, just using 7 characteristics from your sample. Most of them are obviously not good matches, which you can see at a glance. The only trick is that there is no short sample of Estienne, because there was no digital version for me to use to make one, so you have to open the full sample to look at it.

- Mike Yanega

Mike — I think you’ve

Eluard — Tue, 5 Feb 2008 13:56:16 -0800

Mike — I think you’ve done it! Many thanks — that deserves a beer at the very least. I’ve checked this against more letters not shown in the sample and it matches very well indeed. Great sleuthing!

Here is one that could well do with a digital revival!

cheers and thanks for all this effort — that is, thanks to everyone.

El.

My hat is off to you, Mike.

verbosus — Tue, 5 Feb 2008 12:22:36 -0800

My hat is off to you, Mike.

MCGrew’s description says

bowfinpw — Tue, 5 Feb 2008 12:18:55 -0800

MCGrew’s description says it was “designed by George W. Jones, the eminent English printer, and released by Linotype in 1930. It is related to Garamond, but more delicate, with longer ascenders and descenders. ... It is named for a distinguished sixteenth-century French printing family.”

- Mike Yanega

Who designed Estienne?

piccic — Tue, 5 Feb 2008 11:50:20 -0800

Who designed Estienne?

Respect!

Florian Hardwig — Tue, 5 Feb 2008 11:32:35 -0800

Respect!

I think you nailed it, Mike.

Mark Simonson — Tue, 5 Feb 2008 10:53:11 -0800

I think you nailed it, Mike. Talk about a needle in the haystack, I don’t know how you ever spotted it.

This image is from my Serif

bowfinpw — Tue, 5 Feb 2008 09:02:30 -0800

This image is from my Serif Font ID Guide, scanned from the Jaspert book.

[edit: Correction— the scan is from Mac McGrew’s book “American Metal Typefaces of the Twentieth Century” of the Linotype 1930 metal type.]

- Mike Yanega

I started going page by page

bowfinpw — Tue, 5 Feb 2008 08:55:46 -0800

I started going page by page through Jaspert, and I think this is Estienne. It was designed in 1930 and all the details match. I think I have an image here somewhere.

- Mike Yanega

From Einaudi 1945

Eluard — Sun, 3 Feb 2008 21:09:05 -0800

Hello Folks

I wonder if you could help me identify the following font. It was used in Eugenio Montale’s second book of poetry, Le Occasioni. It was printed by Giovanni Capella, and the publisher Einaudi has a Turino address. It was printed in 1945.

thanks Eluard.