Typophile - Nastaliq fonts - Comments

Thanks for the information

jklassen — Fri, 6 Jun 2008 06:41:03 -0700

Thanks for the information on Tasmeem.
(If I have spare time, I’d still like to explore the software demo. The features look tremendous)

My need is for a solution that will 1) work with Unicode data, and 2) ideally, was hoping for a solution which would work within InDesign ME. The organization I work with has developed additional automation software for InDesign which greatly assists the efficiency of our work.

(The Unicode issue is important due to the fact that we wish to maintain our text sources in other editing applications, and feel strongly that the long term archivability of text that we are working with is only reasonable in a globally understood and widely implemented encoding system.)

I sincerely appreciate the communication, everyone. I find that this forum has some very insightful and helpful communication.

Jeff

Thanks Jeff. To the best of

beachmat — Fri, 6 Jun 2008 02:21:40 -0700

Thanks Jeff.

To the best of my knowledge, Tasmeem does not generate Nastaliq.

Also I wouldn’t describe Inpage as legacy. It’s just a different approach. The fonts may be application-based, rather than Opentype, but the end results are actually better than Opentype.

Beachmat, Sorry about the

jklassen — Thu, 5 Jun 2008 11:00:34 -0700

Beachmat,

Sorry about the delayed reply. Yes it was Monotype in the U.S.

I originally contacted them using a contact form on the monotypeimaging website
http://www.monotypeimaging.com/contact/

I had selected the Graphic Design Professions contact form. A salesperson wrote back to me straight away and was able to process the order over the phone.

Jeff

Worth

AzizMostafa — Mon, 2 Jun 2008 19:33:59 -0700

Worth Watching:
http://www.inpage.com/noori.htm
Happy exploring with Flowers

> i.e Tasmeem “Publisher

AzizMostafa — Thu, 29 May 2008 06:52:12 -0700

> i.e Tasmeem “Publisher Edition” needed. The price of that edition was a bit “frightening” the first time I looked ($12,500).

MirEmad from:
www.maryamsoft.com
worth downloading and the price not “frightening”.
A bundle of fonts for less than 20U$.
All the Best + Flowers

Hi Jeff, was that Monotype

beachmat — Thu, 29 May 2008 06:29:01 -0700

Hi Jeff, was that Monotype in the US where you bought the Noori font? I’m surprised as they told me before it was not available.
For quality I think Inpage is impossible to improve on, as every possible combination is a separately designed glyph.

Karsten, Thank you for

jklassen — Sun, 11 May 2008 09:11:56 -0700

Karsten,

Thank you for taking the time to reply. I have seen Tasmeem, and must agree that it appears to be a significantly and uniquely powerful addition to InDesign ME. However, I am working with long documents and would require the features to be enabled for more than 2 pages — i.e Tasmeem “Publisher Edition” needed. The price of that edition was a bit “frightening” the first time I looked ($12,500). That said, I acknowledge the significant amount of development that must have gone into this product (InDesign additions and fonts). I was still hoping that some success for Nastaliq style might be possible in a somewhat less expensive product (the Noori font looks OK in Word — any Uniscribe aware application really). Perhaps InDesign ME does not implement as much of OpenType glyph positioning (or other) as provided through many Uniscribe aware applications.

I should still give Tasmeem a try, as there is a 45 day trial available. The cost is a bit of a hurdle.

Jeff

Mr Klassen, you might

k.l. — Sun, 11 May 2008 03:34:28 -0700

Mr Klassen, you might contact Thomas Milo, the man behind ACE and Tasmeem, at tmilo[AT]decotype[DOT]com

[double post]

k.l. — Sun, 11 May 2008 02:16:29 -0700

[double post]

Since you asked about

k.l. — Sun, 11 May 2008 02:15:01 -0700

Since you asked about ’software and fonts’, you might have a look at the Tasmeem plug-in for InDesign ME. There’s a lively discussion about it on Pascal Zoghbi’s blog, with contributions by its inventor and news in the last comments.
(To be a bit more precise, at the heart of it there is a layout engine called ACE which interacts with fonts of a special format, and the Tasmeem plug-in gives InDesign ME access to both.)
I should emphasize that I do not know Arabic. My interest is in technology, and this is the best thing I have seen in years.

Karsten

Hi Jason, My further comment

jklassen — Sat, 10 May 2008 06:24:59 -0700

Hi Jason,

My further comment here is rather delayed. Just wanted to mention that I did contact Monotype and was able to purchase the font from them (Noori Nastaliq). The rendering for Unicode Urdu text under Windows XP/Uniscribe is quite good with this font. Unfortunately, InDesign ME (CS2) does not fair nearly so well. The text is all squashed together — have tried numerous style options to see if some configuration exists in InDesign which would help .. but nothing. The text renders OK in InDesign ME in many common Arabic Unicode fonts, with the exception of some missing characters in most fonts (esp. 06BE: ARABIC LETTER HEH DOACHASHMEE).

The Noori Nastaliq font contains all the required shapes. In fact, I am working at conversion of documents from InPage to Unicode. I hoped that the Noori font would be the best bet, since it seems to be the Unicode equivalent of the InPage legacy fonts. The font does work well, just not in InDesign ME.

So... just wondering still whether anyone here has a story to tell about working with Urdu text in InDesign ME, Nastaliq style? Any successes?

Jeff

Hi; the Noori Nastaliq font

jasonc — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 14:20:04 -0700

Hi; the Noori Nastaliq font is from Monotype:
http://www.monotypeimaging.com/ProductsServices/wt_fontsample.aspx?type=Arabic

Jason C

Nastaliq fonts

jklassen — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 11:26:32 -0700

Hello,

This is my first post to this forum. I have already appreciated some of the wealth of information experience available here.

Presently I am doing some research into software and fonts capable of authentically handling Urdu (Nastaliq) typesetting work (long books). I have come across a package called InPage, bundled together with a family of fonts called simply “Noori Nastaliq” by Kamal Mansour.

Ideally, I am hoping to find an OpenType font solution which will function well within InDesign CS/CS3 ME (where my experience lies). Does anyone here know where the Noori Nastaliq fonts might be found? I have been looking around on the Internet for a bit without success. Also, does anyone here have a success story of working with Urdu text within InDesign ME. If so, are there particular fonts which are recommended?

I’d be grateful for any good advice.

Jeff