Typophile - the elusive circle (p) symbol! - Comments

To tackle the comment “I

dtw — Tue, 13 May 2008 07:49:52 -0700

To tackle the comment “I still don’t know how to access the ⓟ ouside of this cut-and-paste method.”: In more recent versions of Word, you can get a character by typing its 4-digit Unicode, er, code and then hitting Alt+X immediately after; so in this case I type 2117 and then hit Alt+X. I’d left the font at the default TNR. Word switched to MS Mincho and dropped in the character. Setting the font to Trebuchet and trying the same thing resulted in Word switching to MS Gothic and dropping in the correct character. Dunno if this helps.

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Ever since I chose to block pop-ups, my toaster’s stopped working.

Correction:

Michel Boyer — Mon, 12 May 2008 19:50:07 -0700

Correction: s/Hypathia/Hypatia/
or better s/Hypathia/Hypatia Sans Pro/

another annoying issue: As

Michel Boyer — Mon, 12 May 2008 15:48:56 -0700

another annoying issue:

As Charles says, if you want satisfaction, you most probably need to use the character 0x2117 and moreover, if you want everything to be nicely aligned, you need both the copyright and 0x2117 to be taken from the same font (and also from the font with the + and/or the &). Here are two examples (a grab in Microsoft Word 2008 for Mac).

In my opinion, if you don’t have a font containing a glyph for 0x2117, the easiest thing to do is either to buy one or to choose a font whose EULA allows you to modify it and add to it the glyph for 0x2117.

Michel

”...these are BOTH set at

dberlow — Mon, 12 May 2008 12:20:34 -0700

”...these are BOTH set at 10pt ARIAL UNICODE MS and the character spacing is uneven!”

Are those serif designs in a sans, or is that my ke-warts rendering acting up?

Cheers!

Well, you can probably fool

charles_e — Sun, 11 May 2008 15:37:03 -0700

Well, you can probably fool around with the size & position in InDesign to get them close, but I think the core of your problem is your insistence on using the lower-case p. The lower-case circled-p (Unicode 24DF) come from a different set, namely, circled alpha characters. There may a circled capital C in that set (U+24__); you could look for it. But the Sound Recording copyright symbol has always been the circled capital P — Unicode 2117. Now if that is sized differently than the copyright symbol (circled capital C), you’d have a legitimate complaint.

another annoying

seventhform — Sun, 11 May 2008 14:40:06 -0700

another annoying issue:

ⓟ©

look inconsistent? these are BOTH set at 10pt ARIAL UNICODE MS and the character spacing is uneven!
haven’t imported this into CS3 yet, but this is what occurs when setting the type in Word.

This looks particularly bad when: ⓟ&© or ⓟ+©
and...
ⓟsixth form music/BMI ©projekt records

bumping up the pt in the © doesn’t help either...

“I think it’s a lot

dberlow — Sun, 11 May 2008 08:38:37 -0700

“I think it’s a lot easier to uncover why obscure and silly characters are included in character sets and code-pages, than why important characters like (P) are not.”

It’s only one reason for both situations, isn’t it now.

“I will make sure it’s added to every new font my company procures.”

That’s overreacting. Your market needs a serif and sans available from a system utility like Apple’s Type Palette, Letterlike Symbols. Is there something like this in XP? With only 1% of your market moving by choice to Vista (default CT), I don’t think it’s helping just to put them in CT fonts.

Cheers.

Michel . . . just about. As

charles_e — Sun, 11 May 2008 05:08:46 -0700

Michel . . . just about. As I said in my post:

(1) num lock must be “on”

and

(2) A-F are typed from the regular keyboard; it is just the digits that must be entered via the keypad.

When I look more carefully

Michel Boyer — Sat, 10 May 2008 21:24:08 -0700

When I look more carefully at their input methods, I start having doubts about Alt +9439. Their universal method when the keypad is set to hexa is

(1) Press and hold down the Alt key.
(2) Press the + (plus) key on the numeric keypad.
(3) Type the hexidecimal unicode value.
(4) Release the Alt key.

and the codes you used above simply correspond to another input method.

I still don’t know how to

Michel Boyer — Sat, 10 May 2008 20:32:20 -0700

I still don’t know how to access the ⓟ ouside of this cut-and-paste method.

According to http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/24df/index.htm you type Alt +24DF but they also say (if you follow the link giving the shortcut which gets you here) that you need to have your numeric keypad set to hexadecimal (HKEY_Current_User/Control Panel/Input Method, set EnableHexNumpad to “1”). Since your examples above (copyright etc) are in decimal, I would try Alt +9439 (because the number that writes 24DF in hexadecimal notation is nothing but the decimal integer 9439).

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seventhform — Sat, 10 May 2008 11:35:23 -0700

not to beat this topic to

seventhform — Sat, 10 May 2008 11:27:38 -0700

not to beat this topic to death (though I wish I could, literally..) I switched my font to ARIEL UNICODE MS in my new Word document, cut and pasted Michels ⓟ and it worked...

prior to that I tried Charles_e suggestion (the Ariel Unicode alt+2117 shortcut) but it just gave me a capitol “E” (??)
so I still don’t know how to access the ⓟ ouside of this cut-and-paste method.

So, it worked (kinda.) and I THANK YOU all for your insight.
eric

*PC user, BTW. XP, Indesign CS3 and Office 2000 professional Edition

As for Bitstream Cyberbit,

Michel Boyer — Fri, 9 May 2008 17:31:35 -0700

As for Bitstream Cyberbit, hasn’t it been withdrawn?

I just downleaded TITUS Cyberbit and it contains 24DF (CIRCLED LATIN SMALL LETTER P) but not 2117 (nor 24C5).

[added] Here are two related links: http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/24df/fontsupport.htm and http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/2117/fontsupport.htm.

I’ll confess that I’ve

Michel Boyer — Fri, 9 May 2008 17:01:20 -0700

I’ll confess that I’ve never heard of using the circled p as as symbol for “publisher.”

Here is a grab from http://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U2100.pdf (unicode chart); they write “published” ; they say nothing special for 24DF

I’ll confess that I’ve

charles_e — Fri, 9 May 2008 16:45:13 -0700

I’ll confess that I’ve never heard of using the circled p as as symbol for “publisher.” Since the circled capital P does have meaning (sound recording copyright), I wonder if it isn’t the lower-case p Eric’s talking about. Anyway, that’s why I suggested Ariel Unicode. As for Bitstream Cyberbit, hasn’t it been withdrawn?

the elusive circle (p) symbol!

seventhform — Thu, 8 May 2008 09:33:50 -0700

Anyone here know the keystroke for the (p) publisher symbol?
In the past I have always “created” the symbol, but I know there is a keystroke for it..
similar to...
alt+0169 is ©
alt+ 0153 is T
alt+ 0174 is ®
etc.,

What should have been a quick find has now turned into a 2 day delay...
eric
(my first post)