Typophile - Clients at big agencies? - Comments

well done... did you cheat?

vinceconnare — Tue, 17 Jun 2008 11:11:37 -0700

well done... did you cheat? you win nothing.. sorry.

Watchmen. What do I win?

rotodesign — Tue, 17 Jun 2008 10:56:47 -0700

Watchmen. What do I win?

There is a cheat way to do

vinceconnare — Tue, 17 Jun 2008 10:34:09 -0700

There is a cheat way to do it.....

No it’s not Spiderman

Spiderman?

sii — Tue, 17 Jun 2008 10:31:07 -0700

Spiderman?

name this Comic Book!

vinceconnare — Tue, 17 Jun 2008 10:28:21 -0700

name this Comic Book!

>Did anyone say John

sii — Tue, 17 Jun 2008 09:54:27 -0700

>Did anyone say John Travolta looked like a bafoon in Saturday Night Fever when it came out?

I think that is a good comparison - allows room for a comeback - a la Pulp Fiction?

Comic sans is less a bad

aluminum — Tue, 17 Jun 2008 09:24:50 -0700

Comic sans is less a bad font and more of a font used mostly in the wrong context 99% of the time.

Did anyone say John Travolta

Koppa — Tue, 17 Jun 2008 09:09:40 -0700

Did anyone say John Travolta looked like a bafoon in Saturday Night Fever when it came out?

Some trends are good, some are bad. The good become classic or even potentially timeless, the bad become running jokes we look back upon with an innocent, shamed smile.

Comic Sans is dead.

>So what? I think you’re

sii — Tue, 17 Jun 2008 08:57:55 -0700

>So what?

I think you’re missing the point, the question was “was Comic sans ever cool?” - and if you look at the press and comments around the time of release the answer would clearly be yes - the press was was 90% positive.

So the question is, if it was so very, very bad, why didn’t anyone say that at the time?

As I recall the reviews

Nick Cooke — Tue, 17 Jun 2008 07:11:14 -0700

As I recall the reviews (which would have mainly come from the web design and tech community) commented on how well hinted Comic Sans was at small sizes on screen.

So what? No matter how well hinted - it still looks shite.

Nick Cooke

Adrian Shaughnessy / The

albriks — Tue, 17 Jun 2008 00:08:52 -0700

Adrian Shaughnessy / The Essential Attributes of the Graphic Designer

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Refuse. How much are they

Koppa — Mon, 16 Jun 2008 14:17:58 -0700

Refuse. How much are they paying you anyway? No matter who you are, at whatever level, I think it’s perfectly okay to stand up for what’s right and refuse to use Comic Sans. Straight faced. They say, “I want to see that in Comic Sans,” and you reply, matter-of-factly, “I’m sorry, I can’t do that. It’s against company policy.” Someone has to put their foot down. I don’t think you need to defend it, either. Just say no.

Like they say, if someone told you to jump off a bridge...

>That would imply that comic

sii — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 09:21:22 -0700

>That would imply that comic sans _was_ cool at some point.

I would be interested if anyone can point to articles critical of the font that came out around the time of its release. As I recall the reviews (which would have mainly come from the web design and tech community) commented on how well hinted the font was at small sizes on screen.

“There’s nothing wrong

jonathanhughes — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 08:40:58 -0700

“There’s nothing wrong with making fun of comic sans, but refusing to visit a restaurant because they use it is a little lame.”

There are several businesses I won’t patronize due to their poor design choices. I’d have a hard time doing that to a taco place, though. They could have menus festooned with Comic Sans, Hobo, Broadway, and Choo-Choo, and I’d still go there.

“Anyway with the way trends are recycled I bet comic sans will be cool again soon.”

That would imply that comic sans _was_ cool at some point.

Aluminum said it better than

Joe Pemberton — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 08:18:41 -0700

Aluminum said it better than me.

And Haley, disliking Comic Sans is not lame or elitist, it’s just having an educated opinion. Designers have to have opinions; usually strong ones. And its not about being jerks, its about being discriminating for the right reasons — correct design principles, informed aesthetic judgement, experience in the market.

Chefs don’t use margarine. Designers don’t use crap fonts. &c.

Finally, I have to support Randy’s axiom about Mexican joints. At least the ones in Southern California.

Clients at big agencies?

swamptrunk — Thu, 12 Jun 2008 13:49:08 -0700

So, I had particularly annoying day with client revisions and a coworker and I got into a discussion about how much input clients have at larger agencies. I work at a small firm ( < 10 people), in a small market, and the philosophy is: no matter what the client wants, give it to them.

Is this the same at larger agencies? I recognize that no matter where you work the people that fit the bill will always have last say, but what about when they’re running with scissors? What if they say I want my logo fonts changed to Lucida Calligraphy and Comic Sans???? <—Reason for this post.