kalidoscopio - from Mendoza, Argentina

juandelperal's picture

(in English Below)

Aquí por primera vez doy a luz una tipografía. Se llama kalidoscopio y es una familia corporativa para mi estudio de diseño. Algunos detalles todavía están por terminar de afinarse pero de todas formas me encantaría conocer sus sugerencias, críticas o lo que les plazca.

Muchísimas gracias. Juan Pablo del Peral

Here, for the first time my typography is viewing the sunlight. His name is kalidoscopio and is a corporative typography of the design studio that I have. Some details are being finishing but I want to listen your opinion.

Thank you very much. Juan Pablo del Peral.

(Sorry about my poor English)

AttachmentSize
kalidoscopio thin.pdf9.81 KB
cambios.pdf37.83 KB
kalidoscopiosept2007.pdf44.94 KB
Pixion's picture

Looks great, it has a dancy aspect but seems quite readable. What is the application?

Also, I wonder why you decided to clip the stems where 'normally' the stroke would extend to the x-height / baseline? It adds 'dancy roundness' but I think it also reduces readability.

Sebastian

Number3Pencils's picture

Reichel got away with that stuff, why shouldn't del Peral? Anyhow, the font definitely wouldn't be the same with normalized stems. And it's not intended to be used to set long texts. Hm. I opine that there's a limit to which legibility concerns can control a font, and after that they start making everything look like Helvetica. Sorry, I was just sweeping the forums before going to bed and decided to write a comment.

ruido blanco's picture

Está buena, esas terminaciones le dan un movimiento particular. Pero tiene algunas cosas que se necesitan optimizar, por ej. los acentos se ven muy corridos a la izquierda.

juandelperal's picture

Muchas gracias por los comentarios. Desde ayer empezé a trabajar en las correcciones que han sugerido. Pasa que de tanto mirar lo mismo uno deja de verlo realmente.
Con respecto a las formas redondeadas en la parte superior de las letras, estoy tratando de corregirlas sin perder la escencia del ritmo que se genera en textos largos. Luego mostraré imágenes. Muchas gracias y serán bienvenidos más comentarios.

=|=|=|=|=|=|=|=|=|=|=|=|=|=|=|=|=|=|=|=|

Thank you very much by the commentaries. Since yesterday I started to work in the corrections that you have suggested. It happens that of as much watching one the same thing it lets really see it.
With respect to the roundness in the top of the letters, I am trying to correct them without losing the the rhythm that is generated in long texts. Soon I will show images. Thank you very much, more commentaries will be welcome.

juandelperal's picture


pienso que esto ayuda un poco.

juandelperal's picture


_

La primera versión de la tipografía era demasiado clara, pienso que kalidoscopio redonda logra un gris más digno que el anterior.
Para lograrlo la interpolé con la versión Negra en FontLab.
Cuando estén terminados los detalles subiré nuevamente un PDF con los pesos declinados.

Nick Shinn's picture

I would suggest more Myriad, less Frutiger.
In other words, because the interest in your typeface is in the letter shapes, and the curves are quite round, rather than grotesque, you should not add flaring to any terminals, but should instead concentrate on giving the entire face the appearance of a monoline.

juandelperal's picture

Muchas gracias por el comentario. La propuesta de la tipografía, inicialmente se basaba en dar a los caracteres algunos rasgos asimétricos, de esta manera volver a las formas un poco más graciosas e impredecibles. A su vez darles como un patrón de crecimiento basado en el espiral. Esto quizá puede notarse en la asimetría de la curva de la c, que en la parte inferior se vuelve mucho más abierta.
Esta decisión tiene base en el movimiento del isotipo de kalidoscopio. De todas formas voy a hacer pruebas a ver que pasa.

=|=|=|=|=|=|=|=|=|=|=|=|=|=|=|=|=|=|=|=|

Thank you very much by the commentary. The proposal of the typography, initially was based on giving to the characters some asymmetric characteristics, to make the shapes a little more graceful and unpredictable. To give them like a pattern of growth based on the spiral as well. Perhaps this can notice in the asymmetry of the curve of the c, that in the inferior part becomes more open.
This decision has base in the movement of logo of kalidoscopio. Whatever, I’m going to test to see what it happens.
.

hrant's picture

I think the gentle flares are nice.
Your "c" is super, but your "s" is not happy. It might need to be narrower, or have a more curvy spine (especially at the top-right of the bottom bowl). Plus you need more weight in the spine and less in its adjacent curves (especially the top-left one).

hhp

juandelperal's picture

Hrant
You're right. I'll work in the s. The S looks better than the lowercase. Thank you
.

Rene Verkaart's picture

I like this font. With a bit tweaking here and there this will work very well.
Here are some of the things that caught my eye. Some might be caused by the screen, cut I'll give 'm to you anyway:

- 'S' and 's' are hanging backworks. Like Hrant said they could be narrower, like your 'E'. Besides that you might wanna give it a bit of a rotation clockwise.
- Most important in a font IMHO are the proportions. It looks like you 'b' is wider as the 'd'. 'p' looks wider as the 'q'.
- Because you cut off the tail of the 'a' it look a bit smaller. By doing that you put the focus on the bowl. Perhaps you could try making the right lower side of the bowl less angled. If you open up the bowl a bit more you get more air in it and it might help balance the font again.
- I like it that you haven't descide whether to make a roman or an italic. Mix it baby. Some characters (A, V, W, y, x) have an italic feel to it that gives the font a swing.
- Perhaps you could move the accent in the 'i', it's hanging a bit to much left.
- Try correcting some weight problems. Some characters look like they are thicker than others. Look for the V, W, v,
- Who kicked that '8'? Personally I don't think you need the bent curve on the lower right bowl.
- Please change the mouth of the '5', I have the feeling this is a whale with an open mouth fishing for plancton. Perhaps you could bring it closer to the '3'.
- I don't know if the middle of the 'k' should be higher. Might be that takes the funk out and than you should leave it like it is.
- Although I like your accents, they might be to classical for this sans serif font. They would work very well on a serif font, but here they feel to sharp. Try getting the characteristix between the characters and the accents right.

That's it for now. My time is up.
®ené

juandelperal's picture

®ené:
Thank you very much for all your comments, I'll work in all that stuff. The letter "s", "a", & "e" are now changing. The images will be later in the forum.
Thank you for all your commentaries, there are really important.

juandelperal's picture

Many new Glyphs.

juandelperal's picture

Nuevo pdf | kalidoscopio thin.pdf
En el primer topic hay un nuevo pdf provisorio. Están modificadas las curvas, algunos rasgos y las proporciones, ahora un poco más condensadas.
La idea es desarrollar los dos extremos (thin y black) y luego interpolarlos.
Espero sus comentarios y críticas. Un abrazo

http://typophile.com/files/kalidoscopio%20thin.pdf

dezcom's picture

Juan Pablo,
The form battles you are fighting with your Kalidoscopio remind me of the struggles I had with my Leporello a couple of years ago, particularly the m, n, u, and a. I hope you have more success than I did with it :-) Part of the problem is how the glyphs sit on the line. Tight now it seems a bit bouncy. Your s looks a bit brogen mostly in the lower curve. The most uncomfortable glyph is the "g". You need to really look at the outer curve as opposed to the inner curve and release that pinch between the bowls in some way.
Keep fighting with it.

ChrisL

Goran Soderstrom's picture

Ah, I really like the attitude in this font. Besides from the small corrections as other has already talked about, I also feel that you should maybe rethink regarding the letter "g". Maybe even do a "kill your darlings" here :)

It steals the attention to much I believe and while all the other letters feel open and smooth round, the "g" is kind of like opposite. It’s good that it make the whole font personal, but maybe a little too much?

So, my suggestion would be to make the "g" a little bit more smooth and also maybe just a little bigger upper bowl to make it sing-a-long with the other letters that have a more open feeling to them.
Great Work! I love the uppercase A with the not straight stem :)

blank's picture

I'm really impressed with this font. The only character that makes me really uncomfortable is “x”; the one major curve just doesn't fit with the other three straight strokes. I like the design of “g,” but I would probably try making the bowl a little larger and moving more of the loop below the baseline so that it is similar in size to “p” and “q.” Lastly, “r” seems a little narrow in comparison to the rest of the characters, especially “m” and “n.”

juandelperal's picture

Muchas gracias por sus comentarios. La verdad que la g es una letra que me está costando, a mi particularmente me gusta, pero pienso que la he visto demasiado como para opinar objetivamente. La x todavía no la arreglo, pero pronto lo haré.
Muchísimas gracias por sus comentarios, hasta pronto.

=|=|=|=|=|=|=|=|=|=|=|=|=|=|=|=|=|=|=|=|

Thank you very much for your commentaries. The truth that the g is a letter that is costing to me, particularly I like it, but I think that I have seen too much it to thinking objectively. I still don't fix the x but soon I will do it.
Thanks a lot for your commentaries, until soon.

Juan Pablo

juandelperal's picture

What do you think?

Goran Soderstrom's picture

Ah, I think this g is much better than before. Great, nice balance.

hrant's picture

Better, but also try a "g" without an ear.

hhp

rs_donsata's picture

Juan Pablo, ahora no tengo la atención adecuada para criticar tu fuente. De entrada me gusta el ritmo y la personalidad que transmite y sólo me salta a la vista la letra a minúscula, definitivamente le hace falta una cola para que se asiente.

Buent trabajo.

Héctor

ebensorkin's picture

Or a diagonal ear.

juandelperal's picture

Yeah. I will do another g. Images soon. Thanks about your comments guys

juandelperal's picture

I think now is better. In any case the shape is provisory, is necessary to do many adjustments to that Glyph. What do you think?

ebensorkin's picture

Maybe try pulling a bit of that r arm to make an alternative g ear too. This ear is cool but in this context catches my eye too much. In another font it wouldn't. See what I mean? Then again- I would like to see it in a text contect to know for sure. This is still looking very nice.

juandelperal's picture

Thanks Eben.
A new version of my dear g

ebensorkin's picture

That seems very pleasing to me. :-)

What do you guys think?

I really like the old g too. I bet the old one would be a great design to use in the italic if you expand the face. Or maybe you can have text & a display versions. The old g would be nice in display too. I think then new one is better for text for sure.

Rene Verkaart's picture

Juan Pablo, I agree with you that the old 'g' (26 december) looks better IMHO. It had more personality. You might wanna make it just a little bit narrower, because the inner forms seem a tiny bit to big in comparence to the other characters. But that could be the screen resolution playing with my eyes.
I agree with Hrant that you should try one without an ear. It would fit to the underlaying style of the font.
The new 'g' fits harmonically within the font, but it has lost its teath. It looks just very 'correct'. Nothing that you might remember. But that's perhaps the good thing with it.

I don't know what else you've corrected, but in the last pdf I saw some problems with the 'v', 'w', 'x' and 'y'. They look out of tune with the rest.
If you take a spin at the 'w', try using the legs 'thick-thin-thick-thin'-technique. Now your outer legs are thick and the inner thin. This looks a bit strange to me.

Why is the top of the 'f' diving back down again? Why not opening the top by making it look more like the 'r'. This seems to look up into the sky and filosophize about it's too short life. ;-)

You've curved the leg of the 'y' a bit like a wave. Have you tried this form yet?

The tow of the 't' seems a bit to thick. I think it stands out a little to much. It's like a drop of ink hanging at the end there.

Is that your comma in the pdf? That's much to caligraphic for your font.

The 'x' isn't doing it for me. Sorry...

But he, other than that I still like this font a lot.

If you can, upload a new pdf so we can take a closer look at it. Keep up the good work.

®ené

ebensorkin's picture

Looking at the g again I notice that it feels a bit heavy. Maybe try making the join to the body at the base of the ear more narrow. If you wanted to keep the ear but make it less old style you could also make the ear shorter. The old ear or no ear could work too depending on what you want the text to feel like. Actually..... you could probably do well treating the ear differently at different optical sizes. The smaller the text the more it will benefit from the diagonal ear. At Headline sizes you could have a linear ear or a modified diagonal and at very large sizes you could loose the ear altogether as statement. Or not. Just thinking out loud.

juandelperal's picture

®ene & Eben
Very thanks. I will work on my typography soon. I really have not time to design my typeface, but I will upload soon a new PDF. My work now consist in refine the details of the glyphs in extralight & in black.
I think that viewing the typography in all weights, the problems and the solutions will be more visible.
Soon my pdfs and thanks again men.

juandelperal's picture

New PDF:
http://typophile.com/files/cambios.pdf
Por ahora solo caja baja con un espaciado provisorio y autokerning de indesign. El próximo paso es la caja alta. Mil gracias por sus críticas... juan!
.

juandelperal's picture

Please, take a look the new version and a draft of the complete family at

http://typophile.com/files/kalidoscopiosept2007.pdf
Thanks!

Juan

Rene Verkaart's picture

Juan, that looks really nice. I still like it like I did from the beginning.

A few things caught my eye:
- perhaps you could make the italic 'e' round. The horizontal middle line is straight now. It might look better when this is round so it fits better to the italic character.
- to me, the 'z' and 'Z' don't really fit to the overall character of the font. Perhaps you just wanna make the diagonal straight?
- The italic 'a' is a difficult one. To the eye (at least my eye) it's to close to the 'o', therefor it makes the words harder to read. I get where you're coming from, but it might put to much strain on the eye.

I see there are still little spacing problems that need to be resolved, but other than that I think it's just fine. It has a certain charme that you should preserve.

Up to the next round.

ebensorkin's picture

Juan, I agree with Rene about there being spacing issues and the z and italic a. I think it would be okay to break the 'rule' about not having a tail for that italic a. In general I think that the glyphs are spaced a little tight for text. But they seem very good for Captions, Headlines & so on. What if you finish what you have as a headline & caption font and then come back to it from a text oriented point of view. That way you don't compromise either one. keep going. It's getting better & better.

-e.

Number3Pencils's picture

Wait, that was supposed to be just edited. I made that comment like a year ago and did a minor change just now as I reread it. That wasn't supposed to get bumped all the way to the end of the thread. I guess something's changed in the workings of the forum since I last came here so long ago.

ebensorkin's picture

and after that they start making everything look like Helvetica

I don't think so at all. Maybe like other sans... For instance Meta looks nothing like Helvetica but it does have legibility helping features. So therefore - not all stems are alike.

ebensorkin's picture

There has been. I would advise you not to touch up old posts. It will create idea flow havoc. And so obviously I am responding to you old idea - do you still stick to it?

Number3Pencils's picture

As I say, I wrote that quite a while ago. I'd write something different now, most probably.

Edit: And I wrote this before I saw your second comment, though it jives okay. This will take a bit of getting used to.

Syndicate content Syndicate content