Font in "Rawers" and "Therapy"

Lightswitch's picture

Hi, Could someone please identify the font type in the word "Rawers" and "Therapy" in the image attached.

Thank you so much.

Eric


Ryuk's picture

Mainly Vera Sans/DejaVu Sans/Prima Sans but /R is off (customized?).

EDIT: now seeing previous post by Dick, I'm pretty convinced it is Vera Sans with /R from Frederic

hrant's picture

If Frederic is derived from Vera* there are two problems:
- The original license is missing from the derivation.
- The Dafont "Donate to author" button should not be there.
Both of those are EULA violations so unless Lonton corrects those oversights I would not recommend or use Frederic.

* Same thing with DejaVu (while Prima is off-limits).

hhp

Ryuk's picture

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hrant's picture

They're not the same in terms of licensing. And none of them allow the two issues I mentioned. Lacking Lonton's compliance with the original EULA, Frederic should not be recommended or used.

hhp

hrant's picture

Ryuk, no need to cover up - everybody has something to learn.

The editing that does need to be done is to remove the reference(s) to Frederic.

hhp

Ryuk's picture

hrant, my previous was only for you, thought stupidly you hadn't seen Vera/DejaVu/Prima were the same font. Was actually confused and misunderstood your sentence. Thought you were saying there was the same issue with Vera/Frederic and Vera/DejaVu/Prima. For the rest, I'm clueless for Frederic.

hrant's picture

Thanks for explaining.

hhp

gargoyle's picture

Given its crude outlines and other discrepancies, I doubt Frederick was derived from Vera Sans. Even if it was, where in Vera Sans's EULA does it prohibit authors of derivative works from accepting voluntary donations?

hrant's picture

1) Open source fonts typically require the original license to be reproduced (otherwise various things can go wrong).
2) Very few fonts allow redistribution for money (Apache fonts, like Roboto, being the most common exception). Maybe donations are a gray area, but to me it's a pretty dark shade of gray when the "Donate to author" button is right next to the font download button...

BTW, another reason to avoid Frederic is one of Lonton's other fonts, Josephin, which likely involves outline theft from a non-libre font, possibly Rotis.

hhp

gargoyle's picture

1) Absolutely, no dispute on that issue.
2) "Redistribution of money" is pretty broad terminology— Vera Sans' license (as with most open source licenses) explicitly prohibits direct resale of derivative works, and that's as far as it goes; it explicitly permits resale as part of a larger package, and says nothing in terms of generally accepting donations for one's work (or the placement of "Donate" buttons in relation to download links). Many open source projects and authors accept donations and I've never had the sense that it's discouraged.

But in this case that's all rather moot; whatever Frederic's origin, it probably wasn't a libre font, and as you point out, Frederic's cousin Josephin is almost certainly a hack job of Avenir. Luckily it's only one letter as far as the OP is concerned, which could probably be modified from Verdana or borrowed from a similar font like Avant Garde.

hrant's picture

Justin, points taken.

Dick, can you please remove the reference to Frederic*, since it violates Vera's EULA**? Once you do that I will of course remove my references to it, and I would expect Ryuk and Justin to do likewise.

* And ideally avoid future references to Lonton's "designs", since he has a pattern of disregard for the rights of type designers.

** By not "cascading" the original's license.

hhp

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