Usage of AE and OE ligatures

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Usage of AE and OE ligatures
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Is there a set of rules for the use of AE and OE ligatures in English? I realize that modern English does not use these ligatures, but if I chose to use them, would I substitute them for EVERY occurrence of “ae” and “oe”, or would it be selective?
e.g. what if the ‘o’ and the ‘e’ belong to separate syllables?

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Koeiekat: you mean bastardization of “pronunciation”. *cough* :-)

The German

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Correct. Thus … bastardization

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See? This is why I hate saying proper names aloud (still smarting from that ugly Sotheby’s incident in college).

I might be tempted to blame our (American) manglings not only on a lousy language curriculum but also on some latent bitterness from those folks at Ellis Island taking liberties with the spelling of great-great grandaddy’s last name.

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Tracy, do not feel ashamed. Despite all the learned discourse on German pronunciation (and the bastardization of same — which I can’t dispute), as far as I know, Jonathan has never winced at “Heff-ler”.

In fact, if you call up HTF, you’ll hear Jonathan himself on the message thanking you for calling the “Heff-ler” Type Foundry. 212-777-6640.

When in doubt, go to the source.

— K.

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Thank you; I think the redness may have finally left my cheeks…

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There’s a healthy, archived thread on ligatures here:
http://www.typophile.com/forums/messages/4100/1097.html

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Curriculum Vit

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These letter combinations constitute diphthongs, i.e. two vowels pronounced as a single vowel. Their use in modern English is largely limited to words of French origin, but they can now always be replaced by the sequences ae and oe. Conversely, they cannot be used in all contexts that ae and oe occur. Languages with phonetic spelling systems typically treat all combinations of two vowels as diphthongs unless marked otherwise by a diaeresis; English, with its etymological spelling system, does not have this consistency and generally fails to visually distinguish diphthongs.

Traditionally, the

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»Curriculum Vit

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Just wondering, fusing this and another recent topic: how is “Hoefler” correctly pronounced?

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(1) yay for this topic (have been trying to learn about ligatures) and;

(2) uh, “heff-ler?”

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Still along the same subject line: where can I find a good resource detailing ligatures? I just assumd that the ct and st ligatures could be used at your own discression.

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