Usage of AE and OE ligatures

Jonathan Clede
25.Feb.2003 5.26am
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Is there a set of rules for the use of AE and OE ligatures in English? I realize that modern English does not use these ligatures, but if I chose to use them, would I substitute them for EVERY occurrence of "ae" and "oe", or would it be selective?
e.g. what if the 'o' and the 'e' belong to separate syllables?



kentlew
25.Feb.2003 6.30am
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The


RamiroE
25.Feb.2003 7.57am
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Curriculum Vit


pickles
25.Feb.2003 9.30am
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>>Curriculum Vit


John Hudson
25.Feb.2003 10.40am
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These letter combinations constitute diphthongs, i.e. two vowels pronounced as a single vowel. Their use in modern English is largely limited to words of French origin, but they can now always be replaced by the sequences ae and oe. Conversely, they cannot be used in all contexts that ae and oe occur. Languages with phonetic spelling systems typically treat all combinations of two vowels as diphthongs unless marked otherwise by a diaeresis; English, with its etymological spelling system, does not have this consistency and generally fails to visually distinguish diphthongs.

Traditionally, the


matha_standun
25.Feb.2003 10.45am
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>>Curriculum Vit


cheshiredave
25.Feb.2003 10.57am
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Just wondering, fusing this and another recent topic: how is "Hoefler" correctly pronounced?


trae
25.Feb.2003 11.48am
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(1) yay for this topic (have been trying to learn about ligatures) and;

(2) uh, "heff-ler?"


t1mmy
25.Feb.2003 12.32pm
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Still along the same subject line: where can I find a good resource detailing ligatures? I just assumd that the ct and st ligatures could be used at your own discression.


koeiekat
25.Feb.2003 12.48pm
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capthaddock
25.Feb.2003 1.32pm
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Koeiekat: you mean bastardization of "pronunciation". *cough* :-)

The German


koeiekat
25.Feb.2003 3.09pm
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Correct. Thus ... bastardization


trae
25.Feb.2003 8.07pm
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See? This is why I hate saying proper names aloud (still smarting from that ugly Sotheby's incident in college).

I might be tempted to blame our (American) manglings not only on a lousy language curriculum but also on some latent bitterness from those folks at Ellis Island taking liberties with the spelling of great-great grandaddy's last name.


kentlew
26.Feb.2003 8.50am
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Tracy, do not feel ashamed. Despite all the learned discourse on German pronunciation (and the bastardization of same -- which I can't dispute), as far as I know, Jonathan has never winced at "Heff-ler".

In fact, if you call up HTF, you'll hear Jonathan himself on the message thanking you for calling the "Heff-ler" Type Foundry. 212-777-6640.

When in doubt, go to the source.

-- K.


trae
26.Feb.2003 12.38pm
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Thank you; I think the redness may have finally left my cheeks...


Joe Pemberton
26.Feb.2003 12.46pm
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There's a healthy, archived thread on ligatures here:
http://www.typophile.com/forums/messages/4100/1097.html