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sean's picture

I'm a loser.

-smc

matha_standun's picture

OK I've got something.

I recently came across a book set in Times New Roman Gaelic. Not really one of the gems of Gaelic typography but it was once a new and exciting thing and some people even thought it was a good idea. It makes a good question anyway.

1. Who is credited with its design? (bonus for the name of the man who actually did the drawing)

2. When was it designed?

3. It was only ever used in one book. Which one?

If you come up with the answer in 2 minutes, I'm not going to be your friend anymore!

Good luck,

Matha.

hrant's picture

Well, thanks to a vinic encounter in Rome with an overgrown Irish lout ;-) I recently started looking more closely at Gaelic type... I had met Dermot McGuinne at the Leipzig ATypI conference, but had never perused his book ("Irish Type Design") until recently. It's the proverbial pot-o'gold.

TNR Gaelic was sketched by Liam Miller, drawn in full by William Britton (in 1963), and manufactured by Monotype. The book was "An B

matha_standun's picture

OK I've woken up. Hrant's the winner but he loses a couple of points for the "lout" comment ;-)

'Cl

hrant's picture

Don't shudder, I'm not sure this is tough enough:

What's the original name of the font Cyrus Highsmith recently made for a Hispanic newspaper?

hhp

eomine's picture

palatino.

hrant's picture

Uh, no.

hhp

matteson's picture

Prensa?

hrant's picture

Nope, sorry.

BTW, that question mark is illegal. ;-)

hhp

matteson's picture

Erm, I think Eduardo's actually right. Though maybe it's not the same redesign you're thinking of Hrant:

"...we knew the readers identified with El Mercurio: Palatino, for headlines and text. However, we felt that a new, cleaner, better tracked version was needed. That is when we commissioned Cyrus Highsmith, of the FontBureau, to recreate a special Palatino for El Mercurio."

hrant's picture

OK, maybe I should have said "most recent" - although that might have a hole in it too. So I'll just break down and name the paper then: El Universal. BTW, when I say "the original name", I mean Highsmith's original name for his font, not the name of the font it replaced.

hhp

kentlew's picture

Danilo

hrant's picture

It seems like you know something, but Danilo isn't it, which makes me ask: what was your source on that? Or are you not supposed to admit you just guessed. :-)

hhp

hrant's picture

Come on, guys - it's on the FB site. 4 clicks. Well, maybe 4-and-a-half.
No clicks if you have the [news]printed version.

hhp

matteson's picture

Humedad

Miss Tiffany's picture

Universal

hrant's picture

> Humedad

:-/

> Universal

Well, "El Universal" was the eventual name.

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I think this has to end soon...
John, would you like to whip up a Rule for that?

hhp

John Hudson's picture

Okay, new rules:

13. If no one successfully answers the question within 24 hours, the person who posed the questions must a) reveal the correct answer, including sources, and b) pose a new question on a different theme.

14. The person who posed the unanswered question may be challenged at any time after revelation of what he or she considers to be the correct answer, and if found to be in error shall be barred barred from winning any of the next three questions regardless of whether he or she correctly answers them.


You know, inventing rules is way more fun than trying to answer questions. :-)

Hrant, participants have until 7:00am tomorrow morning to come up with the correct answer.

hrant's picture

> b) pose a new question on a different theme.

Could he alternatively choose to "pass the baton" to a person of his choice?

hhp

hrant's picture

The answer is Zocalo.
(7.5Mb) http://www.fontbureau.com/newspapers/readability.tar.gz
Page 8

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New question:

How did Griffo die?

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hdschellnack's picture

He was (or at least that's what is presumed) hanged in 1518.

hrant's picture

You got it - congrats!
BTW, it was for the murder of his son-in-law.

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I guess wait an hour, then it's all yours!

hhp

hdschellnack's picture

Wow... gotta think of a question first. I got nothing NEARLY, even remotely as hard as you guys got...

hrant's picture

Which makes me realize: we need another Rule. One that stipulates how much time a person has to come up with a question, before the turn... reverts back to the previous quizer?

No pressure, eh? ;-)

hhp

hdschellnack's picture

:-D... ah, you just want an easy question. Okay, here you go: #
For which company did Erik Spiekermann first develop the Meta?

rcapeto's picture

Bundespost.

hdschellnack's picture

Yup. And those guys from Deutsche Bundespost didn't take it, stayed with Helvetica for a while and now are using Frutiger, which is almost as un-inspired a choice as Helvetica.
Congrats, Rodolfo... I should have known that was WAY to easy for cracks as you folks are ;-D.

Actually its brilliant timing, I'm off to a party, so I'm happy to not have anybody waiting for my response.

Go ahead... see ya later...

rcapeto's picture

Frankly, I'm not so sure if Meta would be a much
more inspired choice than Frutiger or Helvetica. Well,
at least it was brand new then...

John, your rules don't say anything about the extra
bonus points I get for being the first to answer two
quizzes correctly.

I'll think of something and come back with a question
in a while.

rcapeto's picture

Sorry, I was a bit busy here and couldn't come earlier.
Well, supposing no one will challenge my Bundespost answer,
here's a question [easy?]:

In the 19th century an English researcher, intending to
print tables of logarithms, conducted tests to determine
whether lining or lowercase figures (what's generally called
"old-style" figures) were more legible. He came to the
conclusion that lining figures were the most legible.

This result has been contradicted by later experiments,
and I'm really not sure if there's any recent conclusion to
the debate - I assume not.

In a certain way, this guy was, indirectly, responsible for
your ability to read now what I've been writing here. Who was
he and how is he important, at least emblematically, for our
mutual communication on this forum?

John Hudson's picture

Right, new rules:

15. The winner of a round must provide a new question within 12 hours. If he or she fails to provide a question during this time, the privilege reverts to the winner of the previous round who must either provide a new question or ask the quizmaster (that's me, if you recall) to pose a new question or nominate someone else to do so.

16. There are no bonus points awarded for correctly answering two or more questions in a row, providing additional information relating to the answer (although this is certainly encouraged), or otherwise exceeding the minimum requirement of correctly answering the question: the honour is reward enough.

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