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Sorry, not the type 3. (By the way Chaucer’s translation of Boethius De consolatione philosophiae, printed by Caxton in 1478, contained a lot of type 3.)

The typeface shown above was used for Sarum Hours V and VI, one octavo and one quarto.

So, you have the typeface and 2 books to find.

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Matha

You’ve only really left me with Type 8, which I only have a lowercase specimen of. It matches this but the key to fraktur is its uppercase. Type 5’s lowercase does not match and Type 7 seems to have been little used for bookwork. Nor do its caps match.

At any rate, I only have reference to Type 8 being in Tretyse of Love and Ars Moriendi.

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Nope. You did throw out the wrong one. But while the term bullet may be relatively recent (?) it is essentially a midpoint. I’ll follow Bringhurst on that one. So you still have one to go.

[I gave you a very good clue in my last post.]

Gerald

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Bloody hell! I was never any good at mastermind. I take it the euro symbol doesn’t count then.

\ @ and something else. Is ‘ton’ the clue?

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Backslash is correct, euro is correct.

No ton is not the clue, that was sort of the anti-clue, in retrospect. Look up one line.

Another clue: It was first proposed in 1962, if I recall correctly!?!

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Ok. Backslash, Euro, correct symbol

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I’m off to bed.Talk to you tomorrow.

M.

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Not yet.

Further clues!?!

It appeared first in an ATF metal typeface in 1966, and was favored for a bit during the photofilm years, but fell out of popular use. Remington included it as an optional key on its typewriters.

In the digital era it is included as a Windows symbol font, and is in the Unicode character set.

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GET A FRIGGINROOM!!!



Interrobang. Also called Exclaquestion.

BTW, the at sign is older than the 20th century, I’m pretty sure. I’d have to check Legros & Grant — but I don’t feel like it.

hhp

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Hey bud,

bit of a mood tonight?

Yeah, the at sign goes way back.

But yes, it’s the lowly interrobang. Found four weights of it in Wingdings 2 font tonight.

But I can’t give this to you, I’m sure, until “you” provide all three answers. Or can I?

Gamemaster?



application/pdfAmericana’s interrobang
Americana.pdf (4.5 k)

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Nah, I don’t want the cash anyway, just the glory.  ;-)

BTW, I’m not sure about the backslash either. I’d have to check “Pause and Effect”.

hhp

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Yeah, the glory.

See Bringhurst on the backslash.

Now you have two.

Time to talk about cash then!?!

[ You know, I really hated doing that !?! ]

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Gerald,

It is type 8.
I hope this didn’t take up too much of your morning. I chose a sample without too many examples of uppercase letters, so maybe it was a little difficult. Well done, anyway.

I don’t have any refernce to Tretyse of Love in my source (Nicholas Barker’s ‘Caxton’s Typography’ in the Journal of the Printing Historical Society no. 11)

Of the four books he says were printed using this typeface, only 2 survive :
Ars moriendi
and a reprint of Mirk’s Liber festivalis,
both partially set in type 8.

Sarum Hours V and VI, entirely set in type 8, have disappeared.

Barker suggests four possible suppliers of type 8: Anthoine V

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If I say interrobang, euro, backslash can I have the glory instead?

Matha.

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Matha

Yes, those are the rules, far as I understand them.

Carry on

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Ok then, since I’m covered in glory,

What script is this?
What’s the language?
Who most recently proposed it for inclusion in the unicode standard?
quiz

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Klingon pIqaD
tlhIngan Hol
Michael Everson

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Man, this is too easy.

The script is democratic neue

The language is new arabic

It was proposed by George Bush

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That was inhumanly quick Tiffany. You should be in Star Trek yourself.

Hats off. You’re the winner. Hit us with a good one.

Matha.

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Too much coffee, Gerald. You’re losing the run of yourself.

M.

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Ok. Let me think. :

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George Bush can’t read.

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and I don’t think he knows how to make proposals either.

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Matha

Well, Barker would certainly know. He was part of the team for UCLA’s The Aldine Press project and also helped us work out some uncertainties with our Gutenberg book, Black-letter. Amazing depth of knowledge.

Updike’s tome has a showing of Type 8 intermingled with Type 6 in Tretyse of Love, 1493. Caxton was one funky typographer.

I guess I’m up then. Think I’ll stay way, way, away from historical stuff for a while!!!

All best

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Easy stuff

Despite all the typographic innovations of the twentieth century there aren

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Am I allowed to answer this? I’m confused

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Matha

I think Rule 16 allows you to. I asked this very question yesterday. The gamemaster doesn’t seem to be around. Give it a shot, get me off the hook here.

Ger

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One of these is wrong. You got a very hard one though.

Am I supposed to tell you the correct ones!?!

Oh, by the way, I’ve got a ton of reference books that need reshelving since this morning!



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Sorry about the messed up library. I reckon the at sign is wrong as it’s been around for a long time. I was thinking about the asterisk but that’s an oldie too. I’m going to settle for:

backslash, bullet, euro

m.