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Yes, pigeon-post it was. Hrant wins, with a little help from the fine folk at Google.

The hen’s egg story comes from a website and is unattributed, so I can’t vouch for its veracity.

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NEW QUESTION:

What was the first typeface awarded protection under
England’s designs-copyright amendment act of 1845?

Yallabye.

hhp

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You’re close. Radiant is indeed a vertically-stressed sans serif, but it lacks the proportions of classical roman letters, and it was relatively successful commercially.

The font I’m looking for is much closer to Optima in structure, which came three decades later.

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stellar!

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stellar classic / r.h. middleton > jim spiece?

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That’s it. :-)

Stellar, released in 1929, and designed by Robert Hunter Middleton, experimented with “serifless roman” style well before Hermann Zapf’s Optima, released in 1958.

Middleton’s Radiant wasn’t released until 1938.

And, yes, Jim Spiece designed the digital version, released in 1997.

http://www.myfonts.com/fonts/spiecegraphics/stellar-classic-sg/

http://www.identifont.com/show?8HA

Sources:

Sebastian Carter, “Twentieth Century Type Designers”, 1987

Allan Haley, “Type: Hot Designers Make Cool Fonts”, 1998

Your turn, in an hour. :-)

David

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. . : . . : . . : . . : . . : . . : . . : . . : . . : . . : . . : . .
ok, what was the name of the italian writer who wrote on a musical staff, as if his words were notes? and what movement is he associated with?

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Marinetti
Futurism

M.

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oh that is so close matha, futurism yes, the person i’m thinking of was friends with marinetti but wasn’t marinetti. they got arrested together (and hey maybe you know more, maybe they wrote on a staff together: )

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Luigi Russolo
Futurism

(for a split second I thought you were talking about Mussolini — another friend of Marinetti’s arrested with him)

Matha

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no, not mussolini. or russolo.. another futurist activist, here’s another hint, a page out of his (typographic) book:

page

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Carlo Carr

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Caslon?

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Sorry, I’ve got it this time.

Francesco Cangiullo,
Poesia pentagrammata (Poetry on the Staff), 1923.
Cover by Enrico Prampolini.

staff

I take it he was arrested too. Kept the coppers busy those Futurists, didn’t they.

Matha

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“The [Futurist] Evening invariably began with [Futurist Filippo] Marinetti and his friends, protected from attack by the massive weight of the poet Armando Mazza, hurling insults at the host city and its illustrious men. The police rarely moved to protect the Futurists from their audiences. In fact, in Bologna on one occasion it seemed that the police too had joined the three thousand who attacked the eleven Futurists.” Caroline Tisdall and Angelo Bozzolla, Futurism, Oxford Univ. Press, 1978, p.13.
http://www.frankwu.com/futuristart3.html

yes you’re right of course: )

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Thanks Andrea.

Well, it’s an hour since I posted my answer so I’m going to post a new question and go to bed.

Recent research has shown that 3 commonly used typefaces are particularly suitable for setting texts in Welsh. Name them.

Goodnight and good luck.

Matha.

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Plantin Light, New Baskerville and Times Roman

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You’ve got it, Nathan. Now you have to explain why they’re suitable, in less than 20 words ;-)

Matha.

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So, does anyone know of any digital versions of Plantin Light and New Baskerville that contain the W/w and Y/y with grave, acute, circumflex and dieresis?

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I believe I read that it has to do with letter frequency, narrow counters, and short extenders. But I can’t find the page I was looking at.

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So, does anyone know of any digital versions of Plantin Light and New Baskerville that contain the W/w and Y/y with grave, acute, circumflex and dieresis?

A bloody good point, John. Letter frequency seems to be their principle criterion. Whether or not these ‘suitable’ fonts have a full Welsh character set is not even considered.

Here’s that page, Nathan:
http://weblife.bangor.ac.uk/ibis/reports/typo.html#4

Matha.

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Thanks for the link Matha.

I think it’s legal to post a question now, so:

In what year did oblique letterforms first appear in Thai printing?

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Letter frequency seems to be their principle criterion. Whether or not these ‘suitable’ fonts have a full Welsh character set is not even considered.

This doesn’t surprise me. A colleague did some work for the Welsh Language Board a few years ago, and while they were insistent that fonts needed the W/w and Y/y with circumflex they seemed to be totally ignorant of the fact that the dieresis can also be applied to these vowels. Very strange considering their mandate. Admitedly, the dieresis is much less frequent than the other diacritic marks, but you would think the national body responsible for the promotion of the language would be aware of it. I provided my colleague with detailed information regarding diacritic frequencies from one of the editors of Geiriadur Prifysgol Cymru, the most complete and scholarly Welsh dictionary.

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Nope.

Hints:
1) It was released that same year.
2) It’s also the name of a [sub]category of type.

hhp

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Clarendon, released in 1845 by R. Besley & Co. for the Fann St. Foundry.

It was copyrighted for use in dictionaries and the like, if I’m not mistaken.

David

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{Sorry for the delay — the site was down forever…}

Yes, you’ve got it! Good show, good show.
May I ask your source? Mine was Lawson’s Anatomy — nothing exotic.

So officially wait ‘till 2:37pm PST to take your turn.

hhp

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I meant 3:39, I guess…

hhp

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My source was even less exotic, perhaps — Jaspert, Berry & Johnson’s “Encyclopaedia of Type Faces”.

I suspected that the answer might be Clarendon, based on the clues you gave. Since Clarendon is a subcategory of Egyptian (slab serif) faces, it seemed to fit. :-) I saw in Jaspert, et al, that Clarendon was released in England in 1845. I also remembered from various sources that Clarendon was designed specifically for dictionary work.

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Alrighty then…. This may be an easy one.

This prolific font designer spent his working life designing for the Ludlow Typograph Company of Chicago.

While it wasn’t a conspicuous commercial success, arguably his most interesting design was a “serifless roman,” a sans-serif font with proportions and contrast like a roman serif font, which pre-dated Hermann Zapf’s Optima by some thirty years.

Name the font and the designer.

Hint: a digital version of the font was released in 1997.

David

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radiant/robert hunter middleton?

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.. repeat post ..