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Stéphane Van Reeth's picture
Joined: 16 Apr 2014 - 8:43am
Letter J in Antwerp font
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Hello folks,
I felt in love with "Antwerp" font made by Henrik Kubel for Playtype.
https://playtype.com/index.php?q=font/antwerp
But i'm really annoyed by its "J". (see jpg)
I asked Playtype if there was a mistake.
I got this quick answer :
"The Antwerp lowercase ‘j‘ was designed this way.
It is not a mistake, in fact it helps the direction of reading and matches the ‘i’ better.
There will be a future version of the Antwerp font(s) without this detail.

I'd like to use that font for a book and find it more distracting then helping, as it is really unusual.

My question here is : do you know other fonts with such 'J' ?
Or is it a sort of trick to add a 'j' that didn't exist in the 1500s ?
I have to admit that knowing that form exists somewhere else at some point could help me using it.
I think also that if a modified version is scheduled, i'm not the only one to find the 'j' awkward. ;-)

Many thanks in advance for your comments.
Stef

Hrant H Papazian's picture
Joined: 3 May 2000 - 11:00am
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That feature (probably inspired by a particular section of the book "Counterpunch" by Fred Smeijers) most certainly does not help reading. Letters don't need to sit, they don't need to "point" in the reading direction, and making the "j" more like the "i" is the opposite of what one should do.

If they don't fix it soon, you should fix it –or get it fixed– yourself.

As for others fonts with this feature, there are some rare historic designs that have it (although AFAIR more prominent in the capital "J") but usually much more subtle than this.

hhp

Bob Evans's picture
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the " Jj " is just eccentric and calls too much attention to itself - you might look at the fonts below that have some of the same feel but not that problem:

Jersey BQ from Berthold
Whitman from Font Bureau
Minion from Adobe
Gamma ITC from ITC
Hawkhurst LT from Linotype

Stéphane Van Reeth's picture
Joined: 16 Apr 2014 - 8:43am
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hrant and bojev, thanks for the confirmations.
and the suggestions :)

Stef

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Geronimo has a similar "feature" on both the J and the U.
http://www.teff.nl/fonts/geronimo/index.html

Hrant H Papazian's picture
Joined: 3 May 2000 - 11:00am
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That's one I had in the back of my mind. It's notable that the lc "j" is not given that treatment.

Related: http://typophile.com/node/80991

hhp

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Bob Evans's picture
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In the case of Geronimo it looks like a badly placed point problem, not a design feature. On Nick's font it becomes more of a design element and works better as it alters the shape of the whole character rather than looking stuck on.

Hrant H Papazian's picture
Joined: 3 May 2000 - 11:00am
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It's very unlikely that a TEFF font features such glaringly bad point placement, especially when presented on their own site, especially as a rendered image.

hhp

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I did not mean it was a bad point placement - I meant it looks like a bad point placement even if intended.

Hrant H Papazian's picture
Joined: 3 May 2000 - 11:00am
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Oh. With that I might actually agree (although I hope most people would know TEFF knows better).

hhp

Christian Thalmann's picture
Joined: 2 Apr 2012 - 8:35am
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Oof, that's jarring.

Geronimo's /U reminds me of Satyr's, except that the latter is doing it right.

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Found this image in my innerweb travels...