Wish I could post a screenshot. No img src tag allowed?

My old icon/pic has disappeared. Will this reappear at some point, or do I need to create a new one?

i could never get the auto password mailer to send me a new password, so i created this account. but what do i do when i want to access uppercase content?

Image Upload: We had this working earlier, though buggy. It's on the dev list, rest assured.

Icons: You'll need to create a new one, 60x60. Think of it as your own personal Typophile redesign. :)

I don't see an uppercase forum?!?

Uppercase Forum: It's coming. We need to refine some of the security permissions so it's truly private.

This is sort of related to the the bug I was experiencing before. As long as the URL does not get prefixed with the www subdomain, I appear to be logged in. If I go away from Typophile for a while (say, I actually have to get some work done...) and return using a link or bookmark which includes the www subdomain, It appears that I am no longer logged in. Once I click another link within the Typophile site, the www is not used and I am magically logged in again.

This must have something to do with the domain specificity of your cookies. Perhaps redirecting or doing a mod_rewrite on all www.* requests to a subdomainless address would resolve the issue.

You guys are running this site on Apache, right?

Old Accounts: We're sending out an email blast with new user information. We're troubleshooting the @typophile.com alias and hope to have that resolved asap.

In the meantime you can use my Personal Contact Form if you're having trouble with a new or old account - I'll manually enable your account or change email addresses as time permits.

Thanks

This is just a niggly little cosmetic gotcha. The bar graphs on the poll page overlap with the text labels and other bits (like Christian's avatar in the example linked below.)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/splorp/12581429/

Are we going to be able to use <img /> tags that point to external servers - such as Flickr? Pretty please?

Yeah! Gimme img src tag!

Taking a peek at the Designers section of the Wiki, I noticed that Smartypants seems to be having its way with the term delimiters.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/splorp/12583491/

I see signatures as a bug. Unless they're styled very small or gray, they just get in the way of real content.

Just testing the 'Reply' function.

So is there any difference between hitting the 'reply' button and just posting a new message?

John, No. We have the option to turn on threaded discussion but that typically causes a lot of clutter. Same with signatures; we've always shied away from these sorts of message board add-ons as they usually interrupt the flow of the discussion, wouldn't you agree?

Ghost of Steuf has got to be one of the greatest things about the new Typophile. No better picture could accompany the statement "Yeah! Gimme img src tag!" Rarr! *Hiss*

Reply: the reply feature is a leftover feature in case we were to enable 'threaded' discussions. Given that we've always avoided threaded discussions in favor of a chronological, linear thread, the 'reply' is indeed the same as just posting a new comment.

Aah, how nice to 'finally' have Typophile back up, again.. :)
Thanks a lot, to the people behind the curtain, for all your fine work..

( I may still have to find my way around the brandnew Typophile 2.0,
but, I already just noted that I am a 'Prolific Poster' now.. :)

I'm sure you already know about the duplicate (sometimes thriplicate) instant messages. Would be nice to have an archive of IMs too, like an in and out box. I'd like to know what I sent.

Was finally going to get a Dingbat membership, I noticed the links to the tee's arent working, nor the Join buttons.

Thanks for Typophile 2 guys! I've been awaiting this eagerly for a long time! I really appreciate all your hard work!

Okay, here's the bug report.

* It seems that both on IE and FF (on PC) that the first post in every thread wraps around the avatar image (if it's long enough) and in subsequent posts it doesn't wrap around the image at all.

* When using FF on the Forums home page when you drag your mouse pointer over the links in the Prolific Posters and Active forum topics sections the headlines (or second versions of them) flicker above them (around 100 pixels).

* At the bottom of the page where you're able to send instant messages the Go! button is located underneath the grey box instead of inside it.

I love the news section, and everything else about the site... I haven't had a chance to explore too much yet. Plus the headlines are really great-looking (where you use that font-substition tech).

Will we be able to use our real names (next to the messages) when we post? I really liked that about Typophile, that people weren't hiding behind aliases and you know who's who.

Thanks again for all the great work... this is all I can think of at the moment.

>> Lauri Johnsen

Maybe you could / should add 'Blogs' to the Menu at the top ( Forums, Typowiki, Projects, News, Resources, Membership ), or are these some kind of hidden treasures, one has to find first.? :)

And, one little, more or less bug, I just noted, when you preview your message / reply, there is the standard 'Typophile 'T' Icon' showing next to the message, instead of your own icon / avatar / symbol / thingie..

I've only started to browse through the new stuff, but it looks fantastic. Great job.

Here are a couple bugs to report:

I wanted to become an Uppercase member, but the link is broken. I tried to email the bot, first and my message was returned. So now I'm posting here.

I'm trying to give you money and I'm getting shut down. Guess my credit's no good at Typophile

Couple of more bugs:

* It seems that when you log in to the site the Username and Password input boxes look different (IE and FF on PC). Username box is not as tall as the Password box, it has a light grey border while the Password box has a dark grey border. And on FF the Password box's border turns blue when your typing something inside it (focus); this doesn't happen with the Username box.

* Instead of quotes and apostrophies I see &#xy; codes in the list of forum topics and in the title bar of the browser.

* Also when your reading a forum thread the great-looking headers with the thread topic doesn't show up on all pages (both IE and FF).

* Also the image for the smileys used in old posts seems to be broken.

Let me know if I'm being too nit-picky, just trying to help. :)

Thanks again!

As much as I love the new interface, the reliance on Flash is sort of annoying. I have Flashblock enabled in Firefox, and that renders a lot of the UI elements kind of useless. I know I'm probably being a reactionary nerd here, but am I just going to have to deal? Excessive Flash makes browsers sad on Mac OS X.

Lauri asked:
Will we be able to use our real names (next to the messages) when we post?

This is indeed possible. You can change your user name as it appears above your posts by visiting your user profile, clicking "Edit", and editing the first field: "Username".

- The instant messages do not like apostrophes, even straight quotes. They come out like this: "I'/m trying to talk with apostrophes".

- I am concerned that not all the legacy forum posts were ported. For example, I posted about the FontBook before Typophile went down (see Google cache), but my post was not here on the new site, even though the posts in that thread following mine were preserved.

Stephen,

Thanks! I've got it changed now. Now we'll have to get everybody to change their usernames so that we know who we're talking to. It took me a while to figure out who "formlos" is. :)

Although the ability to change your username without re-registering is great but it might lead to chaos if people constantly change their usernames or try nabbing other peoples'.

Perhaps there's a script that the admins could use to replace every account's Username with their Full Name. Hmm, but then there may be login trouble? Better yet, just have the site refer to the Full Name in all instances (Who's Online, post credits, IMs, etc) and leave the Username for login purposes only.

Well, Lauri, thats me, of course.. :)

( 'Dav' that is.. :) And, I may second Stephens motion / suggestion to let the site refer to the 'Full Name', rather than to the 'Login'.. )

I'm presuming this is Flash-related, but tabbed browsing (& opening links in new windows) doesn't seem to work consistently. In Safari 2.0 (OSX 10.4), command-clicking on, say, the main navigation at top ("Forums," "Typowiki," etc.) loads everything in the current window.

Stephen,

Yeah, that would be best solution. Have a username for login purposes and then use your full name throughout the site. I tried logging out, and then using my old username to log in and that didn't work, so I had to use my full name (case insensitive) to gain access to Typophile.

Also, it would be nice to have some space between your username + time stamp and your message. Because the way it is now, the username with the timestamp looks like it's part of the message. This could be solved with some space, having your username in bold, a different color, put it in a box, or have a horizontal rule underneath the username. (Typophile 2.0 is still beta so I'm not too worried about all this).

You're right Jonathan, that's a flash thing.

- Suggestion: The contrast between type and background is just one level too low for me. I don't need #000 on #FFF but things do feel a little muddy here. Same goes for the post separators. I liked the alternating post backgrounds of the old site. (White post, gray post, white, gray.)

Dav,

I figured it was you after checking out your profile (by clicking on the T avatar; maybe the username should eb clickable as well?). And from there I followed the link to your website and got your full name. After seeing people's real names for so long usernames don't mean that much... so "formlos" is pretty indistinguishable from "PantyRaider056". :)

We *do* want to get back to real names, that was very Typophile. We'll get there.

Ericgio, hang tight. We have some bugs to work out on the membership side; we have an automated membership thingy we're debugging, and then we'll let you know.

Should it validate?

Jared,

Thanks that sounds great! I knew that you guys would take care of it. :)

Should I change back to my old username if I want to keep it? So that I don't have to use my full name to log in in the future...

Thanks again!

The header animation will get old really soon. I don't like any of the annoying flash used. Message text and header blend in as in:

benson : Fri, 2005-05-06 05:02
Please post bugs you’re experiencing here.

Excessive absolute page width.

Agree with the width. I may have to go back to creating all my own linebreaks!

Where are the archives? And the search?

Looks great to me. How do I erase a post I have created accidentally though? I tried "edit" and then erase the contents but that's clearly not the way to go...

It should be possible to post in the news section like in the old forum.

The accented letters in my name are changed to question marks in my account full name

Total number of posts! I know it encourages logorrhea, but seeing the post number of each post made it instantly clear how much of a regular each poster is / was. Can that come back with full names?

Oops posted this first on the announcement thread.

My request for new password on my old user name ‘billyb’ did not get a response, though the site posts a message that the password was sent.

I registered anew, and then tried again to get a new password for ‘billyb’ using my e-mail address. That responded under the new registration. Is my old user name dead?

I agree with Stephen Coles about the background - too little contrast, the old way was better.

Also, is there any way to edit posts for spelling etc after posting, as before? Or is this gone?

I don't see activation of e-mail notification for threads that one participates in. Is this somewhere I don't see?

It is excessively slow in comparison with the former site. The text of the section Post (to the right of the screen) is quite mixed.

I am also experiencing very s - l - o - w response from the site.

Thanks for all your hard work on improving the site!

othiym23 said: Excessive Flash makes browsers sad on Mac OS X.

Um. Since when? Maybe if you're still running Exploder 5 on Puma.

I'm finding the new Typophile Flash bits flying even better than the previous version in Safari and Firefox.

First impressions ar hard to give. The new site is easy on the eyes, but hard on my patience. I second other posts about the speed (read: lack of). It's a lot slower than the old one -- and that was no speed demon either.
Furthermore I noticed coding instead of ampersands and apostrophes (eg #39;). Is that browser related or a bug or due to transferring the old files?

Of an other order: why is my identity not saved in a cookie or whatever? I hate having to log in each time I connect...

Oh yeah: the added wiki has enormous potential. Cheers all around.

I'm on OSX 10.3.9 / Safari 1.2.

A few minutes ago the forums were really slow to me, but now it seems to be fine.
A minor (but still annoying) bug I've noticed is that the IM box at the top never goes away (even though it's been 1 hour since I received this message), and sometimes it multiplies itself on the screen (at this moment there are +/- 20 identical IM boxes with the same message, date, etc). I'm using IE, WinXP.

We're trying to get to the bottom of the SLOW issue. Judging by the log at page bottom, there's a huge number of simultaneous users.

Also regarding page widths: We've not yet applied full CSS to the Forums. Reducing page width is absolutely in the plan.

Every bug is being logged and prioritized, then tackled. Thanks for helping us out!

Omine: You've got to close the IMs yourself. They don't auto-close to give you the option to see them in case you're focusing on another aspect of the site across page views. (say, if you're reading a long bug list thread)

They do double and triple up, which is really annoying. We've put that up near the top of the list because so many people are using IM right now.

Ok, first, great to see the forums back!

Ok, my list:

- server seems slow. Page loads take quite a while
- the site is still WAY too wide for my browser. Any change of implementing a liquid-width design?
- the time stamps on the post list are formatted in long text based on 'x minutes ago'. This is pretty useless. Very hard to scan through. Just put the date/time there.

Otherwise, looks great. VERY nice to see plain HTML formatting for replies...that'll make things SO much easier.

Thanks for all the hard work guys...great forum!

Jared:
You’ve got to close the IMs yourself. They don’t auto-close to give you the option to see them in case you’re focusing on another aspect of the site across page views.

Of course. I should have thought about that.
So it's a feature, not a bug. :-)

good work guys...props to the whole p-cut crew.

after you change your birthday and view the changes youve submitted it states the date of your birthday and then an odd symbol H;i i think...i have a screen shot if you want it.

Suggestion: If you were to BOLD the user name, I think it will aid in more easily identifying the user, whil helping the eyes "read past" the user name, and catch on the first word of the content.
One other thing that gets lost easily is the "paging" numbers at the bottom. Possibly a bold red may help to bring these numbers out. For example I read this thread several times before I realised there were multiple pages.

Thank you all for the hard work! A new Typophile and a job offer all in the same day. Wow! A great week.

I too would like to see the poster's name in bold and alternating grey/white for posts as before. That would aid in quickly scanning the page for a particular post.

The typowiki is going to be a treasure trove of info. Great addition. it will be an amazing encylcopedia in years to come as it fills out.

Thank you again.

I too find the site to be a bit slow. Maybe I'm just impatient, but it definitely lags on every click.

Also, I find that when the date is the same color/size as the post text, that I get tripped up and take longer to follow the conversation. Maybe make it a little lighter and knock it down a point size?

But the new site is very cool. The type in the headers look great.

apologies for not keeping a record, but it seems that on the login page there was an error message which popped up that contained a grammatical error. I had two errors if that helps at all

Is it normal that I'm only seeing "user/(number)" instead of member names?

Edit: ah, seems ok now (2 hours later...)

The redesign is an effort at compliance with Web standards (as, for example, the use of the label element in forms), but you still don't have valid code on the homepage.

The use of Flash is rather questionable at best, but if you really insist, you should use a custom DTD that makes it legal. At no time do you need width and border attributes or the font element. I also don't think Typophile's use of the b element fits within the edge case where it's appropriate. Quite possibly you are also afflicted with a case of divitis.

It would not take very long to fix these problems. You'd still be less compliant than any of the type sites Jérôme Vogel has developed, but at least your markup is better than, say, Speak Up's.

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Joe Clark
http://joeclark.org/

two more fussy comments:

- Why is the initial post in Georgia, while the rest of the posts (the rest of the site, even) in Verdana? I only point it out because it seems a tad inconsistent.

- The pages are wider than 1024px, which is what I have my browser pages set, so I get a horizontal scrollbar on the bottom of the page. I think that's a bit too wide for a simple forum site, but maybe I'm in the minority.

And your design is better than, say, Fawny.

(Geez, give it a rest, will you?)

***

Jared, Joe and anyone involved: This upgrade is sublime. Very elegant. My only suggestion would be to make the name, date and time that appear at the top of each comment to be bold. That way you would be able to skim the conversation quicker since those avatar thingies are sometimes non-descriptive.

Very nice.

Well this is all very nice isn't it?

I do think that the page is too wide, and that the username and post date/time would be better with a bit more differentiation.

Oh and I seem to be another, whose new password email fails to arrive, so I've had to create a new account. But it's early days yet, thanks for all the good work so far.

Yes, it does seem slow.

I note that Zara's post to the 'Peter Saville tombstone' thread has disappeared, and wonder if any other old posts have dropped?

My old icon/pic has disappeared. Will this reappear at some point, or do I need to create a new one?

here's a tip: search for an old thread that you have posted to and pull your icon of that way. for example, for John Hudson, i know you posted to this thread:
http://www.typophile.com/forums/messages/4100/67524.html?1112801186
if you want your old icon, there it is...

Where are the archives? And the search?

tip #2: use google to search typophile that's what i did for the post just above this one, in the google search prompt i typed "extrabold dcroat site:typophile.com" that's how i've been searching typophile for sometime now since the old search function was buggy. you may not SEE the archives, but they're still there...

We've moved to RSS instead of email notification. Threads can be read by 3rd party RSS reader applications or through the new Tiger version of Safari. (If you're on a Mac I recommend NewsFire (http://www.newsfirerss.com/).

There are 4 RSS feeds - News, Forums, Blogs and All. Future iterations of the RSS feed will allow you to select different forum channels (Uppercase, Critique, Type ID, etc.)

Typophile RSS Feeds: http://typophile.com/feeds

Just to say, again, it'd be GREAT if we could go with a liquid-width design. The current fixed width is just too wide. If it must be static-width, please consider something <800 pixels.

Also, another bug(?). On the main page that lists the threads, there is a link on each thread stating how many new posts they were. Clicking on it would lead me to believe that I'll jump right to the beginning of the new posts. However, that doesn't happen. (Take this thread, for example). If you're going to go with multi-paged threads, this is a really useful feature to get working.

Using Newsfire, the News RSS is coming back as invalid

IMs are duplicating. Maybe someone has said this already.

On the COMMENTS page the first sentence seems odd: Below is a list of the latest comments posted your site.

in regards to the width, it looks like changing:

#wrapper {
width:840px;

to

#wrapper {
width:90%;

would do the trick.

Hmm...maybe I can do this client-side. Thanks for doing this with CSS guys! Nice.

Steven Coles mentioned this, and it seems important: There are posts missing from threads, posts which were made just before the site was shut down. Is the archive used to build the new site old? Can it be refreshed? Now illogical gaps are appearing in threads....

Carl

Firefox turns into a gigantic RAM hog after you've been running it for a couple hours and browsing Flash site. Something in it is leaking memory like crazy. I notice this especially when I'm going to all of those photography flash portfolios so beloved by hip cutting-edge NOW photographers (http://www.ak47.tv/ is probably my favorite). For now, I'm just firing up Safari to get my Typophile fix, which is fine.

Are the forums connected to the RSS feed yet? http://typophile.com/rss should be feeding me everything, right?

HOTTEST threads should cover threads from a finite recent period.
We all remember Heavy Metal Typography (127 posts), and if not, we'll be reminded of it
every day for the next year. But it's not really hot any more.

When I first logged on, I was able to set message reading options such as whether to have the most recent posts appear at the top or the bottom of a thread. Now that I would like to change my selection, I find this option-setting mechanism no longer appears anywhere. Am I doomed to live with my initial choice, or is there a "secret panel" somewhere that I have missed?

Thanks - both for the response and for the new board, which is a great improvement over the last one!

When entering a long thread (like this one, with more than 50 posts), it would be nice to have the last page (with the most recent posts) loaded by default. The previous page/next page buttons could be duplicated at the top of the page too.

Re: "Liquid" screen width. I will only say this once: liquid sites suck.*

Statistically, 60% of the US has 1024 x 768 or greater screen widths. We decided that since our audience is mostly comprised of designers and design educators that it's much more likely that you can accommodate larger widths. We intentionally kept the body area neatly kept under 800 px to account for the exceptions like yourself. In those cases it is only the login and advertising that you're missing in that column. This allows us to get richer functionality without clogging up the footer.

* Since I'm a good boy and rarely say 'never', I'll just say it sucks most of the time. =) Show me a site that looks good at any width and I'll show you Google News .

What about having forum navigation at the bottom of the page as well?

My old mouse takes a while to clamber back to the top of a page as high as this one.

Joe,

I agree, liquid screen width does not always work too well with bigger screens or the new widescreens. My screen's 1680 pixels wide and if I have my browser maximized and encounter liquid designs they usually look too spread apart, or lines are way too long and hard to read. But there's always liquid designs that don't get bigger but only smaller... For example you could have a maximum width of 1030 pixels, and the liquid design would adapt to browser windows smaller than that, but then you would run into problems with columns being too narrow. It's been a while since I read about maxwidth and minwidth, but if I recall correctly, the properties aren't that widely supported.

Agree with Joe on liquid sites. That said, no one wants to read 25 words per line. I feel the main content column has to shrink at least 25%.

The wiki has problems with "bracket bracket term vertical-bar display bracket bracket" notation (if I knew how to quote that all, it wouldn't be so ungainly -- are there escape characters in SmartyPants?). If you have a quote or any other non-alphabetic character in there, the wiki parser spazzes out. Since one of the main uses I'd have for that notation is possessives on designers' names, this is a bit of a problem. I've worked around it for now, but it would be nice if the parser were a little more forgiving.

Also, posting a new comment should take you to the page at the end of the current discussion thread, instead of kicking you back to the beginning.

The wiki can't handle links to entries with an ampersand in their names -- e.g. Hartley & Marks. If you click on that link, you'll be taken to a page on "Hartley", which is not the same at all. Also, Hoefler & Frere-Jones isn't working, which is sort of embarrassing, given how integrally we're using their type.

OK, last observation before I pass out for the night: the Wiki routine for canonicalizing names is totally out to lunch. http://typophile.com/wiki/edward_johnston, http://typophile.com/node/12146, and http://typophile.com/wiki/Hermann%20Zapf are all ways of pointing of pointing at the content. Why is this a problem? Well, http://typophile.com/node/12146 and http://typophile.com/wiki/Typographer's%20Bible have the same categorization and the same title, but are different entries (even though they have matching content). I'm not even sure how they both got created, as in both cases I created them by clicking on a stub link in the entry for Elements of Typographic Style.

>it’s much more likely that you can accommodate larger widths

I'm sorry to say this, but the long lines are a fundmental typographical mistake, and very offputting, though in a way that people generally would not be able to put their fingers on.

Bringhurst says that "45 to 75 characters is widely regarded as a satisfactory length of a line for a single column page set in a seriffed typeface in a text size." And a line of 66 characters he thinks ideal. He goes on to say "Even with generous leading, a line that averages more than 75 or 80 characters is likely to be too long for continuous reading."

I couldn't figure out why I felt so uncomfortable with the new design until I read the comments from others on the width. Then I counted characters, and I think I got up to 110. This is totally unsatisfactory.

I found in my own experimentation on Bringhurst's recommendation that, to my eye, line length, in terms of characters, together with leading are the most important factors in comfort in reading - generally more important than typeface.

Please please please change the line length to a comfortable measure.

I was, after all, only talking about markup. Armin seems utterly unconcerned by markup, assuming, apparently, that Web pages are purely visual creatures rather than structural creatures with a visual manifestation.

Do check my archives for what I think of my design skills.

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Joe Clark
http://joeclark.org/