Caslon Catalogue

Giampa's picture

Does anyone have early catalogues, specimen sheets, showing with reference dates from the Caslon Letter Foundry promotional material. I am especially interested in anything between 1800-1924. If you do I have some questions and may ask for scans.

I know that Hrant will have what I need. If not John Hudson or Gerald. (If he is around)

Thanks in advance.

dan_reynolds's picture

I might have access to one of the last Caslon specimen books (1920s or 30s?).

I'll get back to you next week, after I can check.

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hrant's picture

I got nothin'. I could scour UCLA though... if you were my sister. :-)
Tell you what: tell me exactly what you're looking for (as in a specific date of a specific publication) and next time I'm at UCLA I'll try to find it.

hhp

Giampa's picture

Dan,

I am after a scan from the the Calson 1924 catalogue of the traditional Caslon ornaments. My notes say page 32. Also I am after a scan of the two used on the end papers. I would like a scan, if you could be so kind, of exact size and of an elargement.

Hrant

I am looking for the date, I think about 1800 where Caslon was dropped from their own catalogue, also the date, or catalogue that shows the first return. Also I would like scans, which in this case sounds impossible, of the ornaments. Since that is unlikely I would just for interest sake, know if the ornaments were ever discontinued. Probably not.

This is not a mad rush. I have no specific timetable. In othewords soon would be great.

Giampa

hrant's picture

I would need exact dates.

hhp

Giampa's picture

The catalogue date I believe is 1800. Your are correct, the other catalogue of reappearance may be hard to find, although more recent. Do you have recommendations?

As you know I am writing a book on ornaments, Caslon ornaments seems to come up. I have questions about these ornaments, refit only one of them. As you know the point and pica system as we know it is recent, well fairly recent but not reently recent? What ever that means.

But look, any help would be appreciated. I would never ask if I did not respect your obvious merits.

Giampa

hrant's picture

I'm not getting anything at UCLA...
Here's an idea: go ahead and use this link
http://catalog.library.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?DB=local&PAGE=First
to find what you need, and let me know.

Just one thing: if what you want shows up at the Clark library, that's harder.

hhp

Giampa's picture

Hrant,

Thank you I will give this a try.

Dan, I would really appreciate a scan if you find your catalogue of those ornaments.

Thanking all in advance.

Giampa

Addison Hall's picture

I own a copy of the 1924 book if you still need the scans. Let me know and I'll try to get you what you need.

Eric_West's picture

Hey Addison,

Could I get some of that Caslon lovin too?

ericwest@cinci.rr.com

:))

Addison Hall's picture

Let me scan that page and some others -- I may just post them on my website. I've actually been meaning to do it for a long time...

Eric_West's picture

Somebody here rocks ! Wooo !

John Hudson's picture

I am looking for the date, I think about 1800 where Caslon was dropped from their own catalogue...

Later than that, I think. I have some pages of William Caslon III's specimen, and this includes the Caslon oldstyle type. They're framed, so I can't offer to scan them.

John Hudson's picture

Correction: my specimen is probably Caslon IV (I don't have it handy). In any case, it is early 19th century.

bieler's picture

Gerald

The Caslon Old Face disappeared with the issue of the 1805 specimen. The Caslon revival began with Chiswick in 1844.

Gerald

bieler's picture

Gerald

A further note. I have Justin Howe's cataloging of the Caslon materials. I will look for the ornament dates tomorrow. I'm only "here" on the weekends. :—)

Gerald

bieler's picture

Oh, a further note. I have believed this for some time. That the Chiswick Press revival of Caslon was the first "revival" ever (of any typeface). Anyone know different?

Gerald

bieler's picture

Gerald

According to Howes the "authentic" Caslon Old Face likely saw its last hurrah in the specimen catalog of 1766. Afterwhich there appears to be repair and replacement work up until 1805. The Chiswick revival of 1844 is based on the recovery of punches and matrices in 1839. Howe's inventory does not list ornaments as original to Wm Caslon I or II. The only mention of ornaments is the cutting of them for the Gresham Press in 1876 (but not necessarily cut or cast by the foundry). Anything offered by Stephenson & Blake would not be authentic in terms of lineage (to punches and matrices).

Adobe Caslon is based on specimens from "1738 and 1786" [sic 1785 ?]. As I recall the Adobe Caslon ornaments supplied with the font were from "later" issue. They might likely be late 19th or even early 20th c. additions. The printer Wesley Tanner was involved in some way with the Adobe Caslon ornaments.

Gerald

bieler's picture

Gerald

One final bit here. My last post may lead astray. Since Founder's Caslon does have a suite of ornaments it is likely Justin found them somewhere. He doesn't mention the ornaments in "The Compleat Caslon" the piece he wrote on his forthcoming Ligature Caslon [Founder's Caslon] which appeared in Matrix.

Good luck

Gerald

paul d hunt's picture

Check Printing Types by Updike. Vol II has some info on Caslon's Flowers. Hopefully that can be of some help.

Addison Hall's picture

Well, I haven't had time to scan the pages properly, but I found some old scans from a couple of years ago (please forgive the quality). When I get the opportunity, I'll try to make some better scans.

Pages from 1924 Caslon Specimen

paul d hunt's picture

i see you even have a portrait scanned. my personal favorite portrait of Caslon is this one, which we used for promo posters for LTC Caslon. gotta love that pringing press-as-halo effect!

hrant's picture

Looking for something eles, I found an old -and quite short- article in PaGA written by Dwiggins about the Caslon flowers. Not a lot of hard dates or anything, but a nice read.

hhp

hrant's picture

Printing and Graphic Arts, a journal from the 50s, with some really good content on occasion.

hhp

Miss Tiffany's picture

Hrant, I would like a copy of that. Hmm. I need to see if the University here has that.

paul d hunt's picture

i'd like a copy too. if you please. ;^D

hrant's picture

It is done.

hhp

hrant's picture

FYI, in Dreyfus's "Into Print" (Godine, 1995) there are two great pieces on ornaments: one about Baskerville's, another about French stuff. The articles were each published previously elsewhere, but those are probably harder to find anyway.

hhp

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