kerning: all glyph combinations in a font
Maybe my question has been asked somewhere else already, but search not beign available yet...
Is there a way, either from Fontlab or from a script (maybe robofog?) to have a list of all the glyph combinations possible. Lets say an output to a txt file.
For instance, I’m currently working on a 620 glyphs font and would like to quickly check out all the possible miss matches in the metrics and kerning. I’ve used the KernKing by Mr Cabarga but I’ve yet many more glyphs that are not covered in there.
Thanks in advance!
16.Jul.2005 7.41pm
Google’s Advanced Search of Typophile
16.Jul.2005 11.24pm
There’s a little thing called an AFM file...
17.Jul.2005 9.38am
... And another one called class-kerning.
It’s not a good idea to check every possible combination of letters. With 620 glyphs you have more than 380000 possible pairs; it’s just too much to handle.
19.Jul.2005 5.00am
My goal is just to identify problematic pairs.
The best recommendation I’ve got so far was on typographe.com/forum, by JF Porchez, “do a ’listing manually’ of all the pairs (aba, aca, ...) in the font, then check them all”.
Longer but more rigorous. Just wish this long list could be generated automatically... :)
26.Jul.2005 11.58am
Hello, I was designing a font that I needed to identify some common pairs too, and I developed this application to make statistics based on some online sample text
http://dmtr.org/experimental/pairs.php
I used it to define priorities in kerning and legatures of my font, based in some TXT books in spanish, portuguese and english
31.Jul.2005 6.41pm
dmitre,
Can you explain what you have done?
ChrisL
5.Aug.2005 4.43pm
yeah, it looks interesting but it isn’t completely self-explanatory.
6.Aug.2005 6.53pm
ow sorry, here it goes:
it is a software to analyze the character pairs occourence
for example, I can take a txt book
http://library.beau.org/gutenberg/1/0/0/0/10001/10001.txt
and discover the frequency of pairs.
the funny thing is the pair of characters depends of language you use, of course, and of writing style too
here you can see some examples:
http://dmtr.org/type/FluidTypeface/stats.php
8.Aug.2005 6.34am
“the funny thing is the pair of characters depends of language you use”
This was recently brought home to me when I tried to use some common fonts to set some Albanian. Seems “gj” isn’t a common pair in other languages...
8.Aug.2005 9.58am
Logjam. It’s on the freeway about half of every day.
hhp
8.Aug.2005 10.14am
good point. what about ej?
[edit: oh yeah, bluejay. Well whatever the problem pair was, the result was spaced like Shane McGowan’s teeth]
8.Aug.2005 10.24am
Reject.
My secret: chapter 3 in Ross Eckler’s “Making the Alphabet Dance”.
hhp
5.Sep.2005 4.30am
Another exercise in pairs visualization - http://www.m-i-b.com.ar/mib/letter_pairs/eng/
5.Sep.2005 9.46am
Now that’s some cool visualization - bravo.
hhp
5.Sep.2005 12.27pm
here you can see some examples:
http://dmtr.org/type/FluidTypeface/stats.php
This link does’nt work for me.
6.Sep.2005 9.36am
The biggest kerning pair needs are either all caps or cap to lower case— I should also mention puctuation marks.
Are there frequency stats on these? The usual T, Y, V, A, ones are obvious but I have not seen real stats.
ChrisL
6.Sep.2005 9.39am
I try to shift sidebearings on caps so that the right is set to sit well with lower case and the left sidebearing is larger for all caps setting. This reduces the number of kern pairs but there are still pairs needed.
ChrisL