William, sorry. since he studied history. ans since — i guess — he is teaching history — you can’t just post “Steven Heller and Prejudice” without knowing the real history of the Swastika!!!! and he didn’t post, let’s say : The Swastika and Prejudice. and then compare what Heller wrote. What Quinn wrote. etc. etc. and then. and only then — we all can learn about the issue. and REALLY talk about prejudice!!!! [if you want i can email you about the books — but not here] David Hamuel
The “real” history? I don’t claim to know the real history of anything, David. And are you the same David Hamuel who was posting yesterday? The prejudice in question is mine. Remember? “Irrational prejudice against Steven Heller”? Ring any bells? And please stop repeating yourself. Matha.
Don’t remember? it’s in here: http://www.typophile.com/forums/messages/30/16689.html?1064504736 M.
>not here Why not? I think everyone posting here would be interested if these other books have something that sheds light on the swastika and prejudice, whether against the swastika or against Heller’s judgment on it.
This thread sucks.
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I agree with you Hrant, about blackletter. It has a heritage and an aesthetic that doesn’t deserve to be forever usurped by the Nazis. That said, it will be a very, very long time before you see major corporations, large organizations or governments use it. And who could blame them? Certainly I won’t. The swastika, though? Does graphic design really need a swastika as part of our visual palette of elements? I don’t think anybody is suggesting that. (I hope they aren’t.)
BJ, good point. I feel corrected about corporations not using it… I don’t know that anybody’s still usurping blackletter. I’m just saying it doesn’t deserve to be as taboo as the swastika (is this what Heller is suggesting?). And yes, I’m saying the swastika is still taboo because hate groups still use it and it still holds its emotional power… at least where I come from.