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Mason Chumpia's picture
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Does anyone know where I can access Union (as seen at praegnanz.de) which is a free analogue to FF Olsen? Anyone know of quality Olsen alternatives (preferably free)?

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We prefer to encourage paying for the real things.

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Yes, I would say that "FF Olsen" is the best analogue of "FF Olsen". In my circle, the word "analogue" is pronounced "rip-off".

And who is this gooooooorgeous Gerrit van Aaken? I wish I understood German! He's sooooo dreeeeeeammmy...

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It was my understanding (according to Vitaly Friedman's 25 Best License-Free Quality Fonts) that Union was available for free from the Danish Ministry of Education. However, upon following the link provided, there seems to be no discernable download available and unfortunately my Dutch is a bit rusty, so I can't really make heads or tails of the page I'm directed to.

I figured that as long as it's license-free, I may as well take advantage of it. I would've preferred getting some useful information, but thanks for the snide comment anyway, hrant.

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> Union was available for free

Which is fine. But your apparent desire to avoid paying for
FF Olson at all costs (pardon the pun) can't be expected to
go over well in a place like this. Also: getting something
from a source that most certainly has paid for it, and for
the ability to distribute it, is way different than simply
finding a free imitation. At the very least, it would en-
courage more such font commissions.

So my objection wasn't to your attempt to find Union.
Snide? You prefer Chester's reaction? Or maybe you'd
prefer the reaction of the many font fuhrers in our
field, who might have you blacklisted for even asking
such a thing. I was actually being quite gentle.

hhp

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as i speak german, i can give you a bit of help. gerrit writes essays about fonts, named "type of the day". mostly they're free fonts (i mean really free, no ripoffs or something), and he always writes something about the law-aspect of it. how you may use it and not, etc.

union was built by Morten Rostgaard Olsen who also designed - right, you guessed it - FF Olsen. this was a "spin-off" designed (or released?) for the danish ministry of culture.

apparently, this ministry had this font as a download on its page, with the EULA only in danish. so he assumed it was free (yes, i know.. he shouldnt..). then, someone got him an english version of this eula, and there is the sentence "these fonts may be used in projects related with the danish ministry of culture. for other uses, please contact M.R. Olsen. Adress: [...]".

after a while, the site was updated and there was just a notice to contact mr. olsen directly if you would want to use it.

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Chester's reply was posted very close to mine and I didn't notice it. Personally, I wouldn't place much value in the judgment from any such masturbatory clique that would immediately blacklist me for asking an honest question, but that is really beside the point now. Thanks for a more meaningful response.

EDIT: Thanks for clearing it up, kesh!

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> I wouldn’t place much value in the judgment from any such masturbatory
> clique that would immediately blacklist me for asking an honest question

Me neither. Which is exactly why you should try to pay
attention to the more reasonable amongst us; as well as
reward the efforts of type designers, somehow.

hhp

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well hrant, but you cant just say everybody who uses freely available fonts is a bad guy. not all clients are ready to pay for fonts - not all projects can be reason to buy new fonts (often i do small jobs for like 50$ - how should a font fit into this budget?). if there is a free (and worth!) alternative, i think people should be able to use it.

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> you cant just say everybody who uses freely available fonts is a bad guy.

I didn't say that. But:
1) Most budgets do have room.
2) Using imitations is bad.

hhp

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I'd wager many people here (like myself) are *not* professionals who can write things off on their taxes, or bill a customer. So anything quality that is (legally) free is definitely of interest to people who don't want to "steal" fonts, and don't have a lot of money. I keep seeing your attitude in different threads, and finally had to say something.

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well, then you gotta decide where the line is between imitiation and a "real" font.. and i think thats no easy job (but im sure you have at least an opinion about this :)) .

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> thats no easy job

That is so true.
We each have to decide on our own I guess.

hhp

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one reality is that you simply do not need to license new type for every project. it is possible to use the same group of well chosen (and properly licensed) type families for many projects. any designer who thinks they can't possibly do this needs to stop and start again.

it is understandable, however, that one might want to experiment. that said, it shouldn't be at the expense of the type designers.

the best thing you can do is allot a certain amount of money in a given time period specifically for licensing type. make a list of fonts you would like to -- albeit slowly -- license. budgeting is key. (if not you'll end up like me, so much type and very little credit.)

mason, if you think hrant was mean, be glad that yves or myself didn't answer the call first. =^> in the grand scheme of things, typefaces aren't expensive. sure, there are foundries whose type i can but covet from afar as i'll never have (well perhaps someday) a budget for them. but think of it this way:

if you started a logo project for a client. and they suddenly disappeared after only haven given you a deposit and yet weeks later you see a truck driving down the road with one of your ideas for them on it. how would you feel? typefaces are less expensive than logos.

we are in a business that requires certain tools. yes, we have to pay rent and buy food and pay utilities. but we chose our career and so we chose the expenses that go along with it.

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My attitude?

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I'm sorry...that was meant as a reply to a post by hrant where he was putting down someone who was asking about a font they thought was free. I guess I don't know how to make the part I am replying to appear. I'll try copy/paste next time. (I'm new here)

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No. That's OK. :^) I was just making sure. I know I can be a brat from time to time. (Which is never my intent unless I'm teasing someone and then it is completely my intent.)

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"...unless I’m teasing someone and then it is completely my intent."

LOL!!!

Not bad for a brat :-)

ChrisL

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Know that my "attitude" concerning this sort of
thing is one of the more gentle you'll encounter.

hhp

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Sorry to hear that. It shows a dogged close-mindedness to certain realities. A sort of Chicken Little attitude; as if people who aren't professionals, don't have much money, but like to stay legal, are going to bring you to ruin by being interested in a free quality font.
Lighten up. You'll live longer.

Although I have to admit I am starting to wonder if living longer is all Jack LaLanne cracked up to be.

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Admitting reality is one thing, having preferences is another.
BTW, I was going to ask you to lighten up! :-/

hhp

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> BTW, I was going to ask you to lighten up! :-/

That is my intended course of action, thank you.
: )