best, living american typographers?

andres
14.Nov.2005 11.14am
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any thoughts — who, in your opinion, is the best living american typographer(s)?



Nick Shinn
14.Nov.2005 11.17am
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By American do you mean Merkan, or the whole continent, N and S, or part therof?


andres
14.Nov.2005 11.24am
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Sorry, USA.


david hamuel
14.Nov.2005 11.33am
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> the best living american typographer

What is best?


Stephen Coles
14.Nov.2005 11.35am
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By “typographers” do you mean type makers or type users?


andres
14.Nov.2005 11.56am
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okay, i’ll give you a little more history:

i am working on a client who has requested that his book be set in a ’new’ typeface, something made since 1980; for his last book, he used a face from a young dutch designer, and now is interested in working with an american typographer’s work.

the ’best’ is, of course, a matter of taste, but i was thinking someone on the level on hoefler

and, yes, it needs to be a type-designer, not a type-user


dezcom
14.Nov.2005 12.09pm
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Christian Schwartz comes to mind.

ChrisL


david hamuel
14.Nov.2005 12.15pm
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Matthew Carter, David Berlow


Nick Shinn
14.Nov.2005 12.17pm
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Mark Simonson
James Montalbano


dezcom
14.Nov.2005 12.22pm
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“Born in London in 1937, Carter was introduced to type by the work of his father”

I know Mathew lives in the U.S. now so I don’t know what your client calls “American”.

ChrisL

http://www.designmuseum.org/design/index.php?id=123


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14.Nov.2005 12.26pm
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I was going to say Christian as well. His “Farnham” is a lovely text face.
http://fontbureau.com/fonts/Farnham

Another option would be Joshua Darden’s magnificent “Freight” family.
http://www.garagefonts.com/typespecimens.html?key=bannerfam&thename=Frei...

And, let’s not forget that water polo-playing man, John Downer:
http://houseindustries.com/index.php?page=showfont&id=171
http://www.emigre.com/EF.php?fid=130
http://www.paratype.com/btstore/fonts/Iowan-Old-Style.htm


sii
14.Nov.2005 1.51pm
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As you’re in NYC hows about Gary Munch, Josh Darden, James Montalbano, H&FJ or one of the vllg’ers? I think they’re all* red-blooded blue-passport carrying American citizens?

Si

*except Underware and a few other vllg foundries


dezcom
14.Nov.2005 1.57pm
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There is a guy named Ed Benguat?

ChrisL


paul d hunt
14.Nov.2005 2.28pm
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i thought his name was Ed Benguiat


dezcom
14.Nov.2005 2.32pm
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Paul,
It is.
My name is “Can’t-Spell-4-Sh**” :-)

ChrisL


sii
14.Nov.2005 2.34pm
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The i is only there so you can embarrass the newbies by asking them to pronounce his name.

Si


gabrielhl
14.Nov.2005 2.38pm
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Benguiat is hard to pronounce? How?
(I suppose I’ve been pronouncing it wrong, then...)


dezcom
14.Nov.2005 3.03pm
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Bengat

ChrisL


Nick Shinn
14.Nov.2005 3.15pm
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I originally used the French pronunciation, Bawn-gwee-ah, rather than the Nu Yawk.


dezcom
14.Nov.2005 3.29pm
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But Ed being a New Yawhah :-)

ChrisL


.
14.Nov.2005 3.35pm
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Si, thanks for mentioning vllg. In fact, most of us are unAmerican. The Americans in the group are:
Joshua Darden (Joshua Darden)
Barry Deck (Thirstype)
Frank Ford (Thirstype)
Tracy Jenkins (Village)
Patric King (Thirstype)
Greg Lindy (Lux)
Christian Schwartz (Orange Italic)
Rick Valicenti (Thirstype)

That’s only 8/22. The other 14 members are Canadian, Dutch, Finnish, German, Greek, Italian, Norwegian, Portuguese, and Swiss. We are the world. We are the children.


Mark Simonson
14.Nov.2005 4.34pm
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Don’t forget Ken Barber and Eric Olson, two of my faves.


litherland
14.Nov.2005 4.40pm
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There probably is no “best.” No “best” graphic designer, no “best” typographer, no “best” anything.

But the name “Jonathan Hoefler” is the one that popped into my mind unbidden, first, before the others mentioned here...


gabrielhl
14.Nov.2005 4.55pm
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You know, instead of trying to choose your type from a supposed “best type designer”, you could narrow it to “american typefaces from after the 80s”, browse trough a few (wait - I mean a lot) and find one that suits your project. This could be done with any period of time; in fact, I bet even if you narrow it down to type released only during the current and/or last year, there would be a pretty wide spectrum for you to pick from.


sii
14.Nov.2005 5.15pm
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>In fact, most of us are unAmerican.

Thanks for setting me straight. I was going for the NYC angle so put vllg on the list, then thought better of it, but didn’t want to take the vllg people off. ;-)


mwebert
14.Nov.2005 5.18pm
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I think Nick Shinn belongs in this list himself.

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Mark Simonson
14.Nov.2005 5.25pm
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Of course, except he’s a Canadian (via the UK). (Or is he a Brit by way of Canada? I’m confused by my own syntax.)


crossgrove
14.Nov.2005 5.34pm
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Mark Jamra
Carol Twombly
Jim Parkinson
Richard Lipton
Robert Slimbach
Kent Lew
Cyrus Highsmith
David Berlow
Mark Van Bronkhorst

I wouldn’t want to go into “best” territory, but these are all living Amerkun type designers (as opposed to typographers).


Norbert Florendo
14.Nov.2005 5.35pm
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> who, in your opinion, is the best living american typographer

O.K. At first I fell for this, and started thinking of candidates.

> i am working on a client who has requested that his book be set in a ‘new’ typeface, something made since 1980

Did he give you a reason why? Is it related to the content of his book? Does he have a “thing” for type or for type designers? And why does this designer HAVE to be living? There have been excellent designers who have passed on since the 80s. Are their designs elimated just because they are dead?

> for his last book, he used a face from a young dutch designer

I’m curious who. Can you tell us who?

> now is interested in working with an american typographer’s work.

Again, what relevance does this have? Why the “best” designer? Why not the “best” typeface. Many of the great designers have also created a doggie doo face or two. Selecting the “best” living type designer will not necessarily get you the “best” or most relevant typeface for his book.

Also, using the “best” designer’s “best” typeface is not going to make his book a “best” seller. Plus, it’s not JUST the selection of type, it’s HOW the type is used, and WHY it integrates with the design of the book.

So in summary, it’s the right type for the right job.
And any “great” designer or typographer who is not conceited will tell you that.


Mark Foster
14.Nov.2005 6.24pm
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I’d also add Sumner Stone and Rodrigo X Cavazos.


Ale Paul
15.Nov.2005 3.31am
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I like Tobias Frere-Jones


g_u_y_t
15.Nov.2005 4.21am
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as norbert says...and the known saying:”..typography its not groups of beautiful letters its a beautiful groups of letters...”


dberlow
15.Nov.2005 5.16am
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WHAT IS THE BOOK?

( This seem stupid?)


Mark Simonson
15.Nov.2005 5.30am
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I vote for David.


dezcom
15.Nov.2005 5.48am
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This is the “People Magazine” version of Who’s Who in American Type design :-)

ChrisL


dberlow
15.Nov.2005 6.35am
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I vote not to vote until I know the position the candidate is to fill.


Norbert Florendo
15.Nov.2005 6.47am
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> for his last book, he used a face from a young dutch designer

Was he cute? =-O


dezcom
15.Nov.2005 6.53am
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“Was he cute?”

It might have been a young woman Dutch designer too! What a face! and she’s high on the body too! :-)

ChrisL


dezcom
15.Nov.2005 7.37am
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Then again, he might have been just a frustrated painter instead of a designer.

ChrisL


Chris Rugen
15.Nov.2005 10.01am
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Many fonts designed by Americans are based very heavily on European historical designs. Something to keep in mind if the book is meant to have an ’American’ feel (which is another topic entirely, previously discussed here). Unless the designer is the important part, which it appears to be.


dezcom
15.Nov.2005 10.06am
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My guess is that the client is looking for “Star Power” so he can tell his customers that the font he used was designed by “THE BEST” Yankee Doodle Dandy designer:-)

ChrisL


istitch
15.Nov.2005 10.39am
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i like Zuzana Licko.
Fairplex has an “American” flavor.

just my 2 cents. cheers,

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Stephen Coles
15.Nov.2005 7.16pm
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I second Fairplex, which has grown on me in the years since its release. As a Dwiggins scholar, Kent Lew’s Whitman is very American — and new.


Joe Pemberton
15.Nov.2005 10.51pm
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We should start a thread listing contemporary American book faces. An alphabetical list would start with Alfon and end with Whitman and Verdigris.


paul d hunt
16.Nov.2005 6.15am
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or better yet, a wiki entry!

American Book Faces


dezcom
16.Nov.2005 6.52am
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Book’m Danno (err Paulo)

ChrisL


biddy
16.Nov.2005 3.20pm
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I don’t want to get into naming a bunch of people because there are just so many great type designs. As Norbert pointed out, there are also many great type designers who have made some less than “stellarific” designs. Its also possible that a type design by itself has had more influence than its designer.