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nevermind

Mark Simonson's picture
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Guy--your LOL looks just like a delete mark (used in proofreading).

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i could really use a ROFLMAO ligature. >^D

guy tamam's picture
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really?
and for that ill say LOL

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ROFLMAO

not sure if this will come through…

pd

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You have to consider the ease of writing these symbols; obviously if the symbol is harder to write than the acronym, then it wouldn't be widely used. Usually this means one continous motion going in one direction (left loop, left to right) and can't be too different than how language (Western) is written. For LOL, i would suspect two quick loops, punctuated with a dot to close. For WTF, 3 spikes, with a quick line and a dot; i was also thinking perhaps the dot would go away altogether after a while and just have a single bar at top of the "w".

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> You have to consider the ease of writing these symbols

I think Mark Simonson's wft is just about as easy for most as the &. Frankly, many people are too lazy to even write the &, opting for an even less complicated mark like +.

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Mark's "wtf" (and Jim's shortening, which seems like a likely evolution) is actually more satisfying to me than an ampersand to write, because the ampersand is drawn diagonally up from the bottom right, a weird place to start a character.

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> because the ampersand is drawn diagonally up from the bottom right

Hm. Then... I must be writing my ampersands in reverse!

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Hm. Then… I must be writing my ampersands in reverse!

It took me a minute to figure out if I did it in reverse too, but alas I write them diagonally up and to the left as he stated. Although, I could see myself doing it your way too... :D

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Gee, nice to see that the ops can delete my posts in 5 minutes but that nasty garbage has been there for almost an hour.

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Dave Bailey's picture
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hmmm yeah, what's the deal with that. It's not that late..

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There are 7 ops, right? I know it's the Wednesday before thanksgiving, but someone needs to delete this junk.

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This is some really great stuff. geesdude I think you've got two excellent ideas, especially for pen writing. I'm not sure how easily the looped L's would work with a sans-serif console-style font, but as some kind of TT character it could definitly work.

The WTF t-shirt is a great idea, someone get Cafepress on the phone.

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This is a modification to simplify the submission of Mark Simonson. I noticed, that in it's shape, the W was inherent as the center of the symbol already and the weight in the beginning was unnecessary.

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James,
I’ve had a look for a FAQ which might save me asking this question - couldn’t find one, though this may be due to an error in my search rather than the document’s absence - and I don’t know whether it’s a massive etiquette breach to even ask this, but:
I really like one of your wtf ligatures. Please may I start to use it, giving you appropriate credit?
Thanks in advance,
Chris
(having checked to see whether it’s possible to e-mail you this rather than posting it to the board)

”Start to use it” is rather open ended.The odd exercise like this is fun, but if we can keep the work here open and collaborative, without the worry of the work being used, I think we preserve the intent of the group. Drop me a note at jupiterboy@sbcglobal.net if you would like to discuss further.

Someone call the janitor.

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sorry 'bout that, folks. i mopped it up as soon as i could. thanks, edward for calling this to my attention. as you were, gentlemen.

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Ah finally, hopefully that doesn't become a regular occurance!

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There are some beautiful symbols here. (I especially like Ikean's
2005-11-24 2am
based on an idea of Mark Simonson's.) Here are another two possible evolutions of LOL starting from script, and one of them, my favorite, ends up looking remarkably like cerulean's 2005-11-19 WTF, though the other is more suggestive of a smile:

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The focus seems to be on WTF and LOL. How about something like this for g2g?

- Lex

P.S. A master calligrapher I ain't.

Alexander Kominek's picture
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RTFM?

It's sort of based on the prescription symbol.

- Lex

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I think the point made earlier about if these were to be viable solutions they would have to ultimately be easy glyphs to produce by hand and not just integrated into new typefaces. The g2g is interesting but not really a viable solution when you could easily write g2g in the same time it takes you to create that glyph.

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I guess I should have shown the evolution of the g2g glyph. I started with a much simpler hand-drawn version, then figured out what it might look like once it had been turned into type. I'll post it when I get home from work.

- Lex

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Here's where that g2g originated:

- Lex

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Here is a ligature for "LOL"

ChrisL

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There's a slight mistake in this line of thought. symbols @ and & are created for single words. LOL, WTF, ROTFL, are all phrases and therefore are more akin to S.A.S.E. (self addressed stamped envelope) or P.S. (post script) and the likes...

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Here is a ligature for “LOL”

Each glyph in the typeface is a 24 bit TIFF with transparencies...no noticable increase in size or performance. ;^)

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"Each glyph in the typeface is a 24 bit TIFF with transparencies…no noticable increase in size or performance. ;^)"

Right, just an increase in volume :-)

ChrisL

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some nice wtf's but all a little too complicated to be written down.

Chris Lozos's picture
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What does "wtf" mean?

ChrisL

Dave Bailey's picture
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What the f#&$ :o)

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Thanks David. Earlier, I guess then I could have said" "wtf does wtf mean?"

ChrisL

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Haha, true. No problem!

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Hello guys, I am just discovering this great forum and already want to apologize for my bad english (sorry if I make mistakes).
I am french and have been practicing calligraphy for 5 years but using computers for only 2 years (!). I simply don't know WTF to do to make pictures appear in my message, I almost tried everything & hope you'll get them.

This WTF exercise is particularly interesting and funny.
Here is what I would propose:

- first, an exercise of simplifying the form into one single line, then drawing it faster and faster until it becomes something new...

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d133/Damidoux/Whatzeuf.jpg

The final sign looks like a D if rotated clockwise! Calligraphy on a computer is something strange because feelings are lost, but this first experience is pretty amusing.

- then, a kind of logo work done in happy orange to go with the meaning:

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d133/Damidoux/Whatzeuf2.jpg

Please tell me which you like the most (my favourite tend to be number 3)

Hope you'll enjoy & even if my culture in modern typography is poor, I truly appreciate letterworks.

Thanks for reading.

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In regard to the "mess" that has since been cleaned up by Paul...

Did anyone else notice that this particular thread was BoingBoing'd last Wednesday?

http://www.boingboing.net/2005/11/23/typographers_ponder_.html

It was also mentioned on Coudal.com before that even, and I'm sure on many other blogs since. But that's probably how the comment spammers and trolls got in here.

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I have modified proportions to make it look better:

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d133/Damidoux/Whetzeuf3.jpg

Do I have to consider myself as a troll? If so, don't worry this will be my last message.

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> Do I have to consider myself as a troll? If so, don’t worry this will be my last message.

Heavens, NO! New type-enthusiasts are always welcome here.

Apparently there were several off-topic, nasty posts which have since been deleted by Typophile moderators. Being widely-linked in the blogosphere has benefits (bringing new, genuinely-interested people to the site) and pitfalls (bringing spam-bots and troublemakers).

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Ok, sorry for misunderstanding...
Letters are the same for us but language isn't! Sometimes it's hard to get everithing in the wright way.

Best regards.

DMX

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Daminox, to upload images, you need the Flash 8 player plug-in installed in your browser. Once you do this, an "Insert image" link will appear below the Comment box.

http://www.macromedia.com/go/getflashplayer

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I sat down to a piece of paper and this was my first attempt at writing LOL with a Sharpie as a symbol:

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And after a half-dozen scrawls, here's where I ended up for WTF:

It's written like a normal 'w' that loops up and then down, finishing by making the crossbar at the bottom. I like it -- I'm not sure why, but I think there's a certain vulgarity to the symbol that matches with the spirit of WTF.

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> I like it — I’m not sure why, but I think there’s a certain vulgarity to the symbol

It reminds me of someone (upside-down) flipping the bird. Or a butt. Yep. It kinda looks like a butt. :)

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Okay, last one...I promise. I know that I arrived on this thread way late.

Here's my take on RTFM:

Yes, just an exclamation-point opened like a book.

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That's just too cheeky Gavin. :-)

ChrisL

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Haha, I have to say that to have a whole hefty thread discussing how best to represent "What the F**k" is proof that typographers and type designers do have a sense of humour.

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"...proof that typographers and type designers do have a sense of humour."

Nah, it just proves that we are not much different than sailors or truck drivers :-)

ChrisL

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Of course the WTF sign has to be obscene, but in a hidden and sofisticated way!
Here is an interrogative form of the sign I proposed a few days ago.
Its vulgarity seems obvious (ask Dr Freud or your girlfriend if you don't understand why...) :

- Thanks for your help on macroflash, so good it is-

Last thing, a butt-like logo that has not forgotten its gothic origins :

I'm afraid this funny exercise is making myself an addict. I swear this is my last try (until tomorrow?).

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Wow, my kinda thread!! Great stuff guys.
But did this really get over 54 thousand reads?!
I guess the spam comes with the territory. Or is it that
the beef comes with the territory... Or the actual cows.

> the imaginary alphabet that Alessio Leonardi showed in his presentation at TypeCon

Mark, where can I see this?

Ikean, I guess yours really IS the German one: "Vat der fuk?!". ;-)

> they would have to ultimately be easy glyphs to produce by hand

Maybe. But that would place it outside the context of this site.

> @ and & are created for single words.

I've actually heard that "&" was originally called "and per se and" or something.

> Letters are the same for us but language isn’t!

I think letters aren't either! :-)

hhp

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