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I'm thinking of putting together a "General Posting Guidelines" thread (not this one) that would remain at the top of the posting area in the General Discussion Board mainly to inform newcomers to the boards on how to get the most out of the typophile experience. I'm wondering:

1) Is this a good idea?

2)What are some standards you think should be recommended. Here are a couple i think there should be:

A) Search before you post: many topic have been discussed before. Please use the search function before posting a new thread to see if the subject you're interested in has already been covered.

B) Image guidelines: Images MUST be in RGB format and should not exceed certain dimensions (what dimensions should those be? you tell me!)

So, post here with what you think our community guidelines should be. (Or if there are already some in place, please point me to them!) Thnx for looking.

***Update: the guidelines can be found at http://typophile.com/readme

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You might ask them to post type ID questions to the correct forum and not to hijack a thread by saying, "great topic guys, now how about tell me the name of this font?"

ChrisL

PS: I think the size is about 600px wide?

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I have long advocated posting a request to refrain from personal attacks--at the place where people do their posts. Here is the one from Typographica:

"Please refrain from off-topic banter and personal attacks. Your comment may be edited or removed at the discretion of Typographica editors. Our goal is not to stifle debate but to keep it relevant."

I would not want the stuff about refraining from off-topic banter, though. In good Talmudic style, some of the best stuff on Typophile happens when people go off on a tangent and people join in the discussion of it. A little irrelevant humor is welcome also.

And the policing warning is not a necessity. Typophile is so active that it is probably unreasonable to ask volunteers to police it. But if the notice is there, then a firm warning from a moderator, and a very rare after-the-fact removal with an explanation might be healthy also.

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"A little irrelevant humor is welcome also."

:-)

ChrisL

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I would love to see a small navigational feature that can direct posters to appropriate categories for best response.

This is already posted as a guide in the Type ID section but new topic subjects such as "Help!" or "What is this font?" is less inviting to open than slightly more descriptive topics like: "Please ID script face on store sign" which might interest the right members.

B) Image guidelines: Images MUST be in RGB format and should not exceed certain dimensions (what dimensions should those be? you tell me!)

You should probably repeat the requirements for Flash 8 player requirement.

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Um,—...in the original guidelines post [that done linked me herebouts], "audience" is listed twice within the list of recommended aspects to cover re: limning the rudiments of one's typoguery.

...if! that repetition was intentional—then the distinction being gestured by the nominal twins is, um. ...not 'specially clear. Rr?

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fixed. :^D

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By the same token, please do not post links to sites with commercial fonts for download.

should be

By the same token, please do not post links to sites with commercial fonts for illegal download.

as sites [[http://www.linotype.com/|like]] [[http://www.fontshop.com/|these]] have commercial fonts for download.

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I think if you're going to direct posters to search first, you might also want to provide instructions for the workaround with Google since the built-in search function doesn't seem to turn up reliable results.

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...commercial fonts for illegal download.

illicit would be preferable to "illegal", because in some countries there is no "legal" basis to the act of "font theft" or "unauthorized sharing of software", no actual state laws or legislation relating directly to it.

The only real standard for this kind of thing is the commercial nature of font vending and the moral outrage of type makers and vendors whose commercial rights are violated. For example, a user who breaches the terms and conditions of a font product's EULA makes illicit use of the product, but there may be no legal redress to their behaviour, depending on which country we're talking about.

It may be wise to put in a statement dealing with the "unauthorized distribution or sharing", breach of EULA and the commercial rights of authorized vendors.

j a m e s

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hey, thanks for the suggestions! how about this: "please do not post links to sites witch offer unauthorized downloads of commercial fonts."?

Craig, I'll go back and link to some googling instructions later...

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Damn, Paul, now that you have edited the title, I don't know if I am allowed to read this thread anymore ;-)

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hey, thanks for the suggestions! how about this: “please do not post links to sites witch offer unauthorized downloads of commercial fonts.”?

First, I'd recommend that it say "that" instead of "which."

Second, remember that non-commercial fonts are still copyrighted. We could look at what Wikipedia says. I have to go.

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Good points Thomas.

Paul, how about: "please do not post links to sites or resources offering unauthorized downloads of fonts, either free or commercial."

It may seem trivial to some people, but Thomas has good point about "that" v.s "which". It's a very fine point in English grammar.

I've avoided it altogether with "offering".

Glad you guys care.

Yep, some basic google tips on searching would be invaluable.

While I think of it, the max image width of 600px still causes scrollbars to appear in Internet Explorer, so I've adopted 590px for max width. I'm not allowed to look at Typophile on Macs at work. so can Safari users please post some feedback on max image width? What's the maximum width image you can post before scrollbars show up?

Thanks :^)

j a m e s

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Link is not working for

FAQ: where to find "cool" free fonts

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In my defense: BBC say that and which are often interchangeable. I thought BBC might be a reliable resource, but as with anything that's up for debate.

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i'm afraid you'll have to give that to me in simple English today. my brain is misfiring slightly. if you would, please:

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Cool.

hhp

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The BBC answer doesn't mention Fowler, of "Modern English Usage". Fowler had a campaign to distinguish between "that" and "which". The idea is that you should use "that" when the clause defines or identifies that which comes before: "The assassination that triggered the First World War." But when you are expanding on the previous, then you use "which": "Romney's speech on religion, which was highly controversial."

There is some debate about how valid this rule is, but I think it's helpful.

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Come on Paul, that was English at its finest. I need to use the phrase "limning the rudiments of one's typoguery" more often.

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Very helpful share , Everything that I need in this time all are still there . Since I am new here so I need time to get everything clearly . By the way nice to meet you all my dears !

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Also there is the other use: "That witch that was burned at the stake which hirt like hell" :-)

ChrisL

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I want to remove my account of/from here! I didn't find where and how I remove my acoount! Please, I don't want to frequent here.

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I've tried to do searches on topics before posting a question or starting new thread, but the searches always come up blank... Is there a trick to it that I don't comprehend?

Rob

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Searches - use Google (or search engine of your choice) with your search term +" site:Typophile". The built-in search functionality at Typophile has always been spotty at best, if it was even working.

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I wonder if it would be a good idea to have a concise intro/summary of this site. It seems sometimes people end up here with wrong expectations that might be quickly cleared up. Just a quick line to say who runs the forum, who the members are, and what people could reasonably expect out of it. Like an 'About us' page. Forgive me if this exists and I have not seen it.

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Fowler's rule separating "that" and "which" is widely used by editors and teachers in the United States but has never been widely adopted in Britain. It's a bit artificial, in my opinion, since it's sort of an arbitrary creation - as if I were to say "people should only use the word 'desktop' to refer to computer interface spaces and never use it to refer to a piece of furniture", and then expect everyone to obey me - but people complain about violations anyway.

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This has been a long time coming. It’s old, but much of it still applies, and I am truly amazed at how people are still making the same mistakes we made a decade ago. Taken from Jakob Nielsen’s Alertbox, October 3, 2005: Top Ten Web Design Mistakes of 2005.

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2. Non-Standard Links Following are the five main guidelines for links:

• Make obvious what’s clickable: for text links, use colored, underlined text (and don't underline non-link text).

• Differentiate visited and unvisited links.

• Explain what users will find at the other end of the link, and include some of the key information-carrying terms in the anchor text itself to enhance scannability and search engine optimization (SEO). Don’t use “click here” or other non-descriptive link text.

• Avoid JavaScript or other fancy techniques that break standard interaction techniques for dealing with links.

In particular, don’t open pages in new windows (except for PDF files and such). Links are the Web's number one interaction element. Violating common expectations for how links work is a sure way to confuse and delay users, and might prevent them from being able to use your site.
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For example, instead of linking “I just came across an interesting Kickstarter project. For more information, click here” (which provides the user with no information as to where they are going to end up without additionally reading the words around the ambiguous word “here,” try:

I was doing a bit of reading, and I came across an interesting Kickstarter project: Gremolata & Cancellaresca Milanese. A graphic design project in new York, NY, by Russell Maret.

Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.”
~ George Santayana. The Life of Reason.

(And how wonderfully ironic that the page I came from to end up “here” — a Typophile thread “PLEASE READ: Typophile Forum Posting Guidelines” — violates this very principle ;)

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Did it disappear or has it not been mentioned? What are the RGB values for the background gray?
(I know I can sample those, but they should be in the posting guide).

. . .
Bert Vanderveen BNO

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I think people should know that jpeg is the preferred format for attachments as well. I get annoyed when I find myself involuntarily downloading a pdf file that I then need to delete from my hard drive.

Agree that descriptive titles should be encouraged for the posts, especially on the Type ID board. And also a suggestion that they read the FAQ before posting on that particular forum.

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I don't know that jpeg is always the preferred format for attachments. In type critiques, I want a pdf, so I can zoom in.

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I don’t know that jpeg is always the preferred format for attachments. In type critiques, I want a pdf, so I can zoom in.

yes, i'm hoping to develop similar guidelines for other areas as well. for type crits i want to suggest that posters include

1) a gif/jpg/png showing large detail of the font

2) a pdf with text/display showings to show the font off in context.

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Just echoing patty and speter: it would be a good idea to have some guidelines for posting images/pdfs to the Critique section. Also, and I'm not sure how to correct this, but it seems like a lot of image uploads to that section fail to show up properly, although a helpful, more experienced person usually pops up and fixes the problem.

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GIF is preferable to JPG for type viewing pleasure. Isn't the quality better too? ;^) And doesn't PNG not them both off their pedastal?

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PNG is better but maybe the folks hosting the show have reasons for a particular format?

ChrisL

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I think PNG doesn't have universal compatability. IE still doesn't like PNGs with transparencies, I think.

I agree that some simple guidelines, more on the technical side than anything, would be good. Can topics be 'pinned' to the top of the General Discussions area? Other bboards I've seen do this with FAQ and guideline threads. Also, perhaps you could include a very brief and courteous line or two about requesting free fonts on Typophile.

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Can topics be ‘pinned’ to the top of the General Discussions area?

yes. once i have my guidelines together there will be a closed thread that will remain at the top of the topics list with guidelines.

Also, perhaps you could include a very brief and courteous line or two about requesting free fonts on Typophile.

definately. it will refer free font seekers to this wiki entry: [[FAQ_Free]].

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PDF is a pain, but I concur that for type critique, it's useful.

Ideally, everyone would post inline images. Having to navigate to another page or download a PDF just gets in the way, IMHO.

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PDFs never launch with me. It may be a setting on IE6? When I click it and try to open it, it (Acrobat) tells me that the file does not exist so I always end up donloading it to my PC separately and then opening it from the location where I had to save it.

I have a funny feeling I've just done what Chris can't abide which is to change the topic halfway through. BTW, any idea what this font is? Yes I know the quality is rubbish: it's a JPEG.

On size of images, I like 640 x 480px (the size of screens once) but it turns out that that's too big for the column width available without scrolling. 600 (the size for Type Battle) seems a reasonable suggestion - don't think depth matters as much (provided it's not crazy).

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LOL!!!
Lovin it Nick! :-)

ChrisL

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Seriously though, how do I make PDFs just launch?

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can you get them to launch normally from other sites besides typophile?

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alright, the guidelines are now live at: http://typophile.com/readme

please post any critiques, additions, corrections here.

now on to guidelines for the Critiques section. Anything besides attach a gif + pdf suggestion?

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Thanks, Paul--very nice.

ps. I noticed a typo: 'Assistsance:'

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Way to go Paul!

ChrisL

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I'm having the same problem with PDF's as Nick Job. They launch from every other site but Typophile, so I end up downloading them as well.

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Nice going, Paul! The FAQ reads really well.

Thing 1: Under "Post threads in the appropriate forum", the word one is missing from the next-to-last sentence:

Please contact of our moderators...

And Thing 2: this may be a dumb question, but... shouldn't the FAQ be posted at the top of the Forums page? Or is it at the top of General Discussions because everyone comes here first?

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thanx for the compliments and for pointing out my errors. i hope i've fixed em all now...

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Paul, good idea!

I certainly agree with William that we should recommend refraining from personal attacks. Integral to this however is a parallel recommendation: Typophile -although inescapably leaning towards certain cultures- is more like a zoo than a cocktail party, and the animals are from all over the planet. Ergo, don't assume, and certainly don't insist, that others take offense from the same things. That's just provincial. William's Talmudism or my Agnoticism should not impede candor. We pay politicians for that.

Without adding that to your "Be Courteous" section, you: risk people getting overly shocked once in a while; and really, you're hiding the truth.

hhp

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>Typophile ...is more like a zoo than a cocktail party

Hmmm, Let's see. I am the billygoat. Nick S. is the ram. John H. the giraffe. David B. the old lion. And Hrant is ...?

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okay, i edited the Be Courteous heading. Does that tidbit convey your intentions, Hrant?