Hi there:

Palatino might have it in XP... I don’t ’do’ graphics on Windows but from what I know Palatino is standard.

Mikey

PS... Apple has brought OSF to its ’mass’ 3% of the market since day one. The new fonts for Microsoft look excellent. Perhaps Apple will license them to maintain interoperability with Windows users.

Mikey

Actually, which sans faces on the Mac include OSF? Palatino has serifs, of course...

—Michael.

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Georgia, which is a serif, has OSF and ships with Windows (and any Mac with Office or IE, I believe). On the Mac, Hoefler Text and Big Caslon both have OSF and serifs.

P22 RTF Credo and RTF Dokument series both have old style figs.

Jim

No suggestions, eh?

Does M$ not include a sans with OSF in the default font set?

—Michael.

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For San Serif that’s another story. Skia is probably the only font that has OSF for a sans font. Papyrus are Bradley Hand are decorative but they kind of have OSF looking figures. But for serif, there are quite a few more for the mac.

Hope I helped,

Mikey

PS... I checked the Palatino on my machine and it does not come with OSF figures, so Windows might not have it either.

>Does M$ not include a sans with OSF in the default font set?

Not that I know of. Microsoft has poor OSF for defaults. Even of the defaults that ship with Adobe for Windows, most of the sans-serifs (all of them?) don’t have oldstyle figures, and as far as I know, none have real small caps. Hopefully with Vista MS will be escaping from typography based on the capabilities of a typewriter.

BTW... the new Windows fonts look excellent (the copy-kat Segeo too). Perhaps Microsoft may be getter more serious about typography than Apple.

And about OSF in the default set XP... probably not... check in character map for all the text san serif faces. With advent of OpenType the bar has been raised higher so ligatures, small caps, and other typographic niceties are automatic (or at least in reach) for the lay person. But its not something that completely ’there’ yet.

;-)

Mikey

OK, folks, thanks. The reason I’m asking, by the way, is for selecting fonts for my company’s CSS stylesheets. I was hoping to choose Candara or Calibri but have a reasonably close backup for XP, 2000, and Mac users...

Looks like I’ll go with “Lucida Sans” variants - no OSF, but a nice feel on both platforms and installed by default.

My company’s site, BTW, is videoaidedinstruction.com. Any constructive criticism (besides its not being true CSS-XTML)?

Thanks again,
—Michael.

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Michael> I checked out your site. It looks like you have already went with Candara. I had to install it to check out your site. Then I uninstalled it to see how it would look in Lucida.

With Candara it looks great! The formatting is excellent and the welcome letter looks good as well as the contact section at the bottom.

But when I uninstalled it. Lucida kicked in and it looks acceptable. The line spacing changes and looks a little too loose. Not bad but not perfect. Probably nothing to worry about. The only thing that does not look good is the parts where you see the caption for the dvds “New Calculus Series” and others. The text is formated with the dvd image and depending on how people have text settings or what default fonts they have installed the words wrap in unpleasing ways. It did for me. I think you should convert these parts to png or gif images.

Also I looked at the site with Candara installed and not, with Safari and Firefox. Firefox renders better.

But Micheal, I generally think its premature to install Candara now. Not even other Windows users have it. I got it because I had to look for it (probably something I’m not even supposed to have). When Vista comes around the whole world will then have these new fonts.

I checked Skia... it does not have a bold, so that’s not gonna work. Lucida is your best bet on the mac. Verdana is ugly. Georgia is lovely... have you thought about that?

Hope I helped,

Mikey

PS... your site could use some color to make it more inviting... but not a big deal.

Mikey, thanks for all the great feedback.

Yeah, the site’s color scheme is bare bones... My client (that is, day gig boss) doesn’t want any punchy color so as not to compete with the packaging of the products. He’s a bit of an Apple-phile, as am I.

Regarding the type, I thought about switching to Georgia for the headlines and a sans for the specs, but I think it’s cleaner this way. And, yes, I do need to address those line breaks. Perhaps you’re right about making these headlines into images. Hmmm...

I guess Candara is premature for now, but it’ll be an added bonus for any Windows Vista beta testers until next year. No harm, no foul, right?

Anyway, thanks again. I really appreciate your thoughts.

—Michael.

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