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Eric West's picture
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At least there's the Hoefler feature to look forward to. It's supposed to be about type. Let us hope for the best.

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That might be a clicheed comment on misuse of icons but not nearly as patronising as Adobe's latest promotion. Guerilla marketing Pah.
http://www.adobe-live.com/

Tim

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Some of you are too young for this one.

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I think showing the Nike swoosh AND the earbuds hints at consumer excess as well as the perceived "need" to be trendy.

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Reaganomics :-)

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Wow Tim, that was weird....I really don't know which one is worse.
I saw a stencil graffiti of Che close to my sister's house ages ago then recently I noticed that someone had added two Mickey Mouse ears to it.

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That sounds a little bit Banksy.
Tim

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Extremely Banksy-esque...but it's not. In fact I don't think Banksy was even born when this stencil appeared. I went out yesterday to take a picture for you guys but the building wasn't there anymore! Typical.
Speaking of which....did you spot a Banksy on Woody Allen's Match Point?

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"Who wins the cliche contest for notable faces? Marylin Monroe, Che, Elvis, or Mona Lisa?"
Did they design fonts too!?

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>but the building wasn’t there anymore! Typical.
I had a similar experience with a station that I left a broken-down motorbike at :)

>Speaking of which….did you spot a Banksy on Woody Allen’s Match Point?
I don't really get Woody Allen.

>Marylin Monroe, Che, Elvis, or Mona Lisa
P22 will produce these faces eventually :)
Tim

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"Did they design fonts too!?"

No, but they were often typecast :-)

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Or this?

Chris Lozos's picture
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"There you go again"

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"I don’t really get Woody Allen."

Perhaps you aren't screwed up enough. How someone could make me not care about watching Scarlet J. is quite an achievement, but he managed it.

PS, I wish the moderator could fix it when someone screws up the /cite.

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I wish Scarlet J. wouldn't have gotten collagen injections in her lips.

Dennis Hill's picture
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I'd think the word injection would deter any right-thinking person
(Heroin addicts always baffled me).

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Perhaps you aren’t screwed up enough. How someone could make me not care about watching Scarlet J. is quite an achievement, but he managed it.

I wish the moderator could fix it when someone screws up this site .

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Did someone call for a moderator? Whassup?

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I'm sorry Yves, I was referring to the content of a post rather than any actual tech problem. Unless You've invented a stupidofilter, that is.

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Can't the moderators fix it when someone screws up an /em or /cite?
Everything is in italic now.

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I think that might be your browser, mine (Safari) shows Fredo's post as bold and yours as roman. Fredo what happened to Rorshach?
Tim

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Can’t the moderators fix it when someone screws up an /em or /cite?
Everything is in italic now.

Yes, but we don't see everything, so you may have to alert us. I don't use IE, so you may see more problems than I do, depending on what browser you're using.

Dennis Hill's picture
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If it is only me seeing it, oh well, but here is the html from Graphic Fuzz's post that starts all the italic for me.

Dennis Hill's picture
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Ah, thanks for fixing it.

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Oh, Chris that is brilliant!

Lorenza Pavesi's picture
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whoaaaaaaa.....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Chris Lozos's picture
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I'm a budding Typophile :-)

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Chris, nice!

Eric: the catashnikov (kalashnicat?) is entirely convincing.

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What a load of tripe. George Lois was the last designer to create a magazine cover worth shit. Communication Arts is just another grand excuse for "succesful" designers to congratulate each other for being so brilliant.

And Che Guevera was a commie and deserved his end. Cuba could sink into the sea and nobody would shed a tear. We should have blown the place to pieces when we had it surrounded.

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grumpy, please refrain from making hateful remarks on these message boards. this is your second warning.

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Grumpy, there have been magazine designers since George Lois who have done some great work, like Neville Brody of course. the world doesn't end on your side of the "pond", as you like to call it. And as for your thoughts on Cuba... what on earth is your problem?

Paul D Hunt, it's nice to know you're trying to keep things well-mannered, but where were you when Fontplayer was spouting off his homophobic rubbish a few months ago? I'd hate to think you only apply the rules when you feel like it.

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Either you don't understand the meaning of the word homophobic, or, well, I guess that about sums it up. You read into it what you wanted to read, I guess.

But I know I helped use up everyone's patience, to Grumpy's detriment. When even I find him over the top, I think Paul is justified in his warnings.

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Nigella, if you took the time to read the board a bit more more you would see that Paul has decided to be more active & that he thought about & talked to us before he did - which is bloody nice. And if I not mistaken Fontplayer repented. Your comments about Grumpy I will fail to be censorious about. It appears that Grummpy has no pond, location or a valid identity. So as far as I am concerned he has no valid point of view either. Paul, what's the policy on typophile? I thought that you couldn't anonymous like Grumps. Can we just toss him overboard?

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Nigella, as Eben pointed out, those remarks you're referring to are exactly what prompted me to be more proactive. sorry i wasn't more so a month or two ago.
Eben, we're watching this one and we'll see if we can't come to a consensus on how to handle it soon.

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Grumpy

Get with the program. It is only politically correct to throw barbs at France.

Gerald

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Eric

I'm not sure if anyone has commented on this, but your cat with the machine gun is as surreal as is the appropriation of the Che image. Are they not in some manner of Post-Modernist thinking one and the same? And do either really deserve more than a passing comment?

Gerald

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YEEEEHAAA!!! Bring on the negativity!!! Cant we just stop!!! Holy Moley!!! Everytime I log in, were having a retread of the same old same old. It's really getting to the point… where I think people are LOOKING/TWISTING OTHER PEOPLES THOUGHTS for things to rag on them about, maliciously…seriously. We don't need it here. It doesn't foster anything positive, nor does it make me want to 'collaborate.'

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I’m sorry Yves, I was referring to the content of a post rather than any actual tech problem. Unless You’ve invented a stupidofilter, that is.
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Fredrik

Were you refering to something in this thread? Please share.

Gerald,

Well, i guess I must explain my actions. I have very little confidence in myself as a designer, and I was simply posting to see if any of my observations had validity. Ok? Thanks.

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Eric

Not sure what just happened here. Didn't intend to rankle you, thought it an innocent question actually. I do like the cat!!!

Yeah, observations always have validity. And there is no reason not to share them. But in a public forum no reason to expect just a pat on the back.

Maybe this forum should not be sub-titled "Anything goes." Reads like an invitation to head-bashing.

Gerald

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Gerald,

I apologize, I'm Just a little annoyed that this thread got hijacked, and turned into hate-stew. I wasn't expecting a pat on the back, I was looking for opinions.

I'm just out of school and most of the people i went with couldn't care less about design 'off the clock.' I, on the other hand, do. And this, Typophile, is the ONLY place at all I have to talk about type/design with anyone. And, you could be completely right, and I could've just ignored it. It didn't really turn into any deep discussion.,

Eric

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Yeah, I like your cat too!

But to get back to the point of your post - the swoosh, the iconic earbuds & che are all now ubiquitous parts of pop culture no matter when where or why they came from to begin with. Don't like it? - too bad & too late. So really, they are a kind of pop trifecta. The superimposition of two white marks over che gives the impression of complete pop saturation - or corruption - depending on where you stand. Anything less would fail to beat us senseless.

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I suppose the length of discussion* and readers of the dialogue validate the design to a degree.
*even cul-de-sacs and admonitions
Tim

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Eric,

I was referring to the post I quoted. Sorry, I thought it was obvious.
And yes, I like the cat too.

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“Who wins the cliche contest for notable faces? Marylin Monroe, Che, Elvis, or Mona Lisa?”

This conversation reminds me of Ron English's 'Popaganda' painting (semi-NSFW if your bosses are uptight).

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Anybody else read this? I really like the quote about Che throwing Piñera's work on the floor. I can't decide whether to wear my Che shirt or my Jerry Falwell shirt today.

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That's quite the article, Robert. Thanks for posting it.

I thought the synopsis couldn't have been written any better: The real lesson gained [...] is embedded in the final irony of the capitalist exploitation of a communist icon. In its capitalist incarnation, the image, ironically, becomes heroic, unassailable: the essence of idealism and socialist revolution. What gets lost is the real Che Guevera—the one behind the photograph.

And Eric, just for the record, that cat rocks!

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Chris Rugan,
I got a big laugh out of the Ron English link! The symbolism of pop-culture juxtaposed on itself is truly surreal. It is great to see Walt Disney keeping abreast of other Hollywood giants :-)

ChrisL

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Oh Chris......

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"What gets lost is the real Che Guevera—the one behind the photograph."

...and just to bring this all the way back around to brands and consumerism, did you know Che was wearing a Rolex when he died?