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William, stop invoking my name just so you can help perpetuate the lies, the
lies that are used to murder and enslave, in order the make the rich richer.

Your fixation on the individual (Bush, Milosevich, me) which your society has taught you (to control you better) is exactly what's most wrong with the West - and it goes directly against your stated desire to have a context-rich evaluation of causes. But hey, whatever works at the moment, because:

In the end nothing matters except the Faith that the US (with Israel by its side) is Eternally Right (except the occasional little foible) and has the Holy Duty of "guiding" the entire world towards a happy, peaceful, honorable place, and it will do so in spite of all the bad, bad people, amen.

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That's all really amusing coming from a rabid theocrat. Which, BTW, is mostly what's wrong with the East, along with absolutely no emphasis on the individual.

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In the end nothing matters except the Faith that the US (with Israel by its side) is Eternally Right

This is is more ridiculous than my Anna Nicole theory.

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> Which, BTW, is mostly what’s wrong with the East,
> along with absolutely no emphasis on the individual.

Theocracy is based on religion - nothing to do with my view.
Not that the West has been less theocratic than the East!
What do you think the US for one is succumbing to?

But your second point is entirely valid. Besides not giving enough weight to the needs of the individual, the East is also too fatalistic. And all this is exactly why I've long advocated striking a balance between the two, and why I believe peoples that have been stuck in the middle of extremes paradoxically have the best chance of survival! As long as they manage to keep their cultures (as opposed to their material posessions) like Wolfgang was saying can be a key to fighting opression. Otherwise we're headed for a large gray blob. A farm. Which is of course what our owners want - and they use Democracy as a weapon.

> This is is more ridiculous than my Anna Nicole theory.

Tell that to half your population.

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Tell that to half your population.

There aren't enough people left who aren't off the deep end in dogmatically believing lies, for me to use my meager skills of persuasion. Man's nature is redeemable only by the grace of God, on a personal level, as well as globally.

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>"Your fixation on the individual which your society has taught you is exactly what’s most wrong with the West."

This from someone who calls INDIVIDUALS "Fascism apologists", no fixation there at all.

A jokey reference to "Californians" or the word "Homophobic" gets the moderator in here on the double. People say about such things "Oh, it could only cause pain", don't say those things, on and on.

But "Fascist apologist", hey, that's just fine, gets by without a word from anybody here, the "moderator", Tiff must've been on a lunch break. Yes, typographers are, as has been mentioned before, very "loyal".

So, I will no longer participate in this thread as well. You are welcome to stay here and finish each other's sentences, you don't need outsiders getting in the way. What's amazing, is all the things we do have in common, which you refuse to see.

To those of like mind that stay here, a warning, things will eventually turn on you as well. Scorpions always need to have something to sting.

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I just love being told how awful "the West" is by somebody who insists on living here.

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Edel, you're sounding like a movie. Again.

You've been here two weeks, not made any real contribution to
discussion about type, and continue to go nuts with assumptions
that prop up your existing views.

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But what you love even more, Robert, is not listening
to what people (outside your circle) are actually saying.

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Isn't somebody who lives in “the West” better placed to make such a judgement than one who doesn't?

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And one for the road.......

>"You’ve been here two weeks, not made any real contribution to discussion about type."

I have the humility to admit that I am far from being a type expert. So, I do not comment on things I don't have a firm grasp of. Someone mentioned type as being a tool, the same way a carpenter may use a hammer. I use the hammer and make the best house I can. But, like a carpenter, I may not know how the hammer came to be.

You, on the other hand, believe you are an expert on virtually every subject. You once wondered just how CA could have ever published this cover I made. I am still surprised you don't think the CIA, or the "Empire", had something to do with it. Or perhaps, I provide the Publisher with foot rubs.

I respect your typography. You've spent your life studying the subject, as I have spent my life studying what I do. I'm sure your typography is elegant, passionate, and intelligent, such as yourself.

You're right, I do not comment on Typography. I leave it for you to discuss, as you are truly an expert.

But please, leave magazine covers that encourage endless thought and discussion to me.

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Blah. The whole "che" thing has turned into a sort of commercial fashion statement -rather contradictory or ironic to what the revolutionary represented. But then I thought Apple's ads incorporating people like Gandhi were a pretty stupid, self congratulatory reach as well.

Honestly, the previous issue of CA, and its coverage of sign systems at the Winter Olympiad, was far more interesting. At least the graphics were a LOT more cool looking.

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HA!

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"Isn’t somebody who lives in “the West” better placed to make such a judgement than one who doesn’t?"

Sure. But if you're just spouting the same nonsense about "the West" everybody in your Eastern homeland is, anyway, you can't really ascribe those opinions to direct observation.

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Get back on the carousel kids, we're going for another ride...and I'm the carny.

>"Edel, you’re sounding like a movie. Again."

Hrant, you're sounding like a broken record. Again. Again. Again. Again. Again. Again. Again. Again. Again. Again. Again. Again.

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> I do not comment on things I don’t have a firm grasp of.

That's certainly the best way to avoid encountering uncomfortable questions. The only thing I consider myself an expert on is being Hrant; and part of that involves exposing myself to dissent. Yes, it's a lot more work.

> You once wondered just how CA could have ever published this cover I made.

Right. When assumptions fall through, historical revisionism fills in so well!

> spouting the same nonsense about “the West”
> everybody in your Eastern homeland is

My homeland? Do you have any idea what that means?! Because I actually don't! I have too many. One of them I've never seen (neither have my parents). One of them I've spent 9 weeks in. Another is where I (mostly) grew up*, except for 2.5 years in Palo Alto. Another I lived in for 6 months. And the one where I've spend most of my adult life (a place I came to with high expectations) is LA! BTW, none of them are in the East. Although critically, two of them (including the one where I grew up) are firmly between East and West.

* A place that has historically wanted to be more Western, mind you.

And anyway, how do you know what's nonsense? Because your pappy told ya?

I've been "observing", directly, all kinds of things and people, in a much broader spectrum than most anybody. I'm the least likely to regurgitate what's been fed to me. And if you had actually been "observing" me with an open mind you'd know that.

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And Edel, you can have your glossy magazine illustrations.
Being immersed in making viral little machines, things like
that bore me to death.

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BTW, Edel's chronic exits and returns* are one indication that this empire will end even sooner than most people expect: laughable self-discipline. One soldier gets dragged around behind a jeep, and all that supposed national willpower turns into over-microwaved sludge. As long as it's given enough airtime of course. Yeah, just keep voting for Puppet Change, and everything will turn out just dandy.

* And I could make William come back in 10 words or less,
but I'll spare everybody another pointless 100 posts.

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>* And I could MAKE William come back in 10 words or less,
but I’ll spare everybody another pointless 100 posts.

The KING Has Spoken, Again. Again. Again. Again. Again. Again. Again. Again. Again. Again. Again. Again. Again. Again. Again.Again. Again. Again. Again.Again. Again. . . . . . . . . . . . .

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A medley of confusion but also nuggets of pure golden truth:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5122012.stm

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>One man told me that even the type of bribes have had to change now that women have the vote. Louis Vuitton handbags have reportedly been the currency of choice in at least one constituency.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/5128284.stm

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People love the king of Thailand's left buttcheek more than
anybody will ever love a democratically elected president:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/06/asia_pac_thai_king0s_ce...

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One of my favorite Monty Python scenes. Almost up there with:

LAUNCELOT: We were in the nick of time, you were in great peril.
GALAHAD: I don't think I was.
LAUNCELOT: Yes you were, you were in terrible peril.
GALAHAD: Look, let me go back in there and face the peril.
LAUNCELOT: No, it's too perilous.
GALAHAD: Look, I'm a knight, I'm supposed to get as much peril as I can.
LAUNCELOT: No, we've got to find the Holy Grail. Come on!
GALAHAD: Well, let me have just a little bit of peril?
LAUNCELOT: No, it's unhealthy.
GALAHAD: Bet you're (edited)!
LAUNCELOT: No, I'm not.

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Chokchai Longmani, 53, event volunteer

"The king has done so much for us. He's saved the nation from many internal conflicts, like the recent political crisis, so today we're united despite our political differences. He's even helping combat water shortages with his PATENT FOR MAKING ARTIFICIAL RAIN."

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Imagine a world where children are taken away from their
mothers so the former can start being brainwashed early
and the latter can make the rich richer.

> PATENT FOR MAKING ARTIFICIAL RAIN.

Yes, a good leader must be dumb. He should be somebody you'd love to have over for dinner, and he wouldn't make you feel like the dumb-arse peon that you are. It doesn't matter if he can't express himself well, or thinks Mexicans speak Mexican. The important thing is that he makes you feel less inadequate. Like a dork in a Hollywood movie.

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