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LOL Tim!!!
You got him by the gills :-)

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Brilliant.

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You must have a t-shirt of that made.

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LOL! Now that's esoteric!

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"Man, as usual I’m the one in the room saying the wrong thing. "

Not from where I'm standing. I mean, you're from Cuba, and you've got Americans lecturing you about how you need to forget the lies TV has told you about Cuba. You did the damn cover under discussion and you've got type designers questioning your illustration and graphic design chops. You've been lectured about how awesome Che was by an avowed *monarchist.*

I'd be a lot more irate than you've been, at this point.

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"I wasn’t aware of Che’s prejudices, but all the same I don’t think it is/was relevant."

Well, it's not like it's restrained to Che. Twentieth-century Communists are noteworthy for being *more* violently and fatally homophobic than twentieth-century Christians, even. The gay rights movement in the US, for instance, had its real beginnings in gay members being run out of the American Communist Party in the forties and fifties. And I can't think of a single Communist regime, offhand, that *hasn't* persecuted gays on a grand scale, and commonly to the point of death.

So...I think this has a lot of bearing on a discussion that's touching on political issues and Che's alleged heroic stature.

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> I’d be a lot more irate

Yeah, BOMB the ingrates! (Then steal their wealth.)

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It's official, the cat now has 10 lives! Week two begins, grab a drink (and some pizza), here we goooooo!

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"Yeah, BOMB the ingrates! (Then steal their wealth.)"

Do you know any other songs besides that one and the one about how great kings are?

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Yep, there's another one—"Feed the World (with type)"

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Dude, I have enough for a "best of" compilation even.

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Better watch it or soon you'll be on VH1s "Where Are They Now"…

Or better yet KTel. I have a song on a KTel record and I can openly admit it.

peace

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From the compilation:

"Devil in a Blue Suit"!
"America the Stupid! (though I choose to live here)"!

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You've reminded me of a killer full-page ACLU ad I once saw in the
LA Times: "Who do you call when the gang is wearing blue uniforms?"

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I have a song on a KTel record and I can openly admit it.

Is it Freedom Rock? Well, then, TURN IT UP!

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That's right, when the ---- hits the fan there's always the ACLU. I love those guys. Don't know any royalty that would approve of them though...

So many people have said my work looks like something a Freshman would do. I'm really starting to think I failed now. I was hoping it would be seen as Sophomoric.

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RN Lee - Actually it was death punk. Still want me to turn it up?

Edel - I'm glad your experience here has been good but it isn't always so.

I remember having long hair in Phoenix Arizona in the late 60s and early 70s and being a target of the police. And I'm a white guy. I have been threatened with death by a County Sheriff for being the last to leave a desert party, manhandled and arrested for Disturbing the Peace for asking if it was illegal to be in a park, stopped countless times and generally harrassed. I fly under the radar now but I am still afraid of them.

Hrant and I know from living in the shadow of Daryl Gates (the former Chief of Police here in LA) that there are many inequities. And once in a while the people do something about it.

Unfortunately it is usually not a productive effort.

peace

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Cutler,
Again, I think I was misunderstood. When I said I love the ACLU, I actually meant it! Am I the only Liberal anti-Communist in the room? Those aren't exclusive of each other.

I've had bad experiences here too. Not a lot of fun having the name Rodriguez on your license when you get stopped in Alabama by the cops. Or driving with a van full of "Spanish Folk" through the south to visit colleges. So, I'm all for the civil liberties, you know.

I don't trust the military over in Iraq. It's made up of a bunch of American law enforcement that enilisted in the Reserves. There's a lot of those that just want to go around cracking skulls and worse. So, yes, I'm aware of all this stuff, and not proud of it at all. A lot of it is despicable. So, if my writing has left an impression that I'm a right winger, I apologize. I'm just a fan of democracy, where the ACLU can go around suing the government, the media can show pictures of Abu Ghraib, and we can sit here in this little "forum" bitching about everything without fear that someone will be knocking on our door. I know Hrant, they're coming, but I don't think so. Here, come get me: Bush is an IDIOT!

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"Am I the only Liberal anti-Communist in the room?"

Nope.

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>Liberal anti-Communist in the room

Present

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Given your experience being anti-Communist makes sense. Given mine, being anti-American makes sense. I'm not.

I don't have that much time anymore for anti…

peace

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> I remember having long hair in Phoenix Arizona

I remember wearing a kafiyyeh on my way to the F1 race in Phoenix, and the waitress at the roadside diner breaking down, contorting her face and asking: "What does THAT mean?!" That was before 9-11 though. These days I would simply get shot (after paying the bill of course).

You are certainly well-trained.

> Daryl Gates

Another fond memory: the transmission in my old 2002 started failing and I made an illegal u-turn to avoid getting stuck in a really bad way. A cop pulled me over, and when he was unfazed by my circumstance, I uttered the classic "To protect and to serve you like a King, eh?" The guy, indignant, spurts out: "Hey, I'm OCPD, not LAPD!" That was funny. Anyway, when you push their limits just a little bit (which I've done dozens of times - I've lost track really) you see their true colors.

But really, the problem with US cops isn't that they're unjust, it's that effectively they've become fundraisers. Even our John Butler, a fiery military-family Republican, agress with that. The thing is, what else can they be, in such a single-mindedly capitalist society?

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Actually right after 9-11 someone shot and killed some poor Sikh in Phoenix. Payback…

Phoenix is a strange place.

I remember sitting in a bar and some guy walking in wearing a gun on his hip, handing it over to the bartender, sitting down and having a few, getting his gun back and going on his way.

I was visiting home recently and my brother came home from work with a .45 strapped to his hip. I just said "That's something I don't see every day" and laughed.

I remember being in LA on LaBrea just south of Melrose with some friends of mine "performing" on the street near the original Vinyl Fetish. We had instruments and kitchen utensils and were playing some ungodly form of "music". We also looked pretty weird. The cops approached us and asked if we were on drugs and I said "We're on every drug that has every been invented but we don't have any of them with us and we love you". They just kind of looked at us for a moment and then told us to go home…

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Well, I think the difference between you guys and me is, forgive me, your stupid, and I'm not. What the hell you going around inciting cops for? Maybe the real difference is that I know they'd very swiftly kick a spic's ass like mine, so I just give them a lot of "yes sir" and "thank you sir". That's gotten me by just fine in the South. Would probably work in Phoenix or L.A., give it a try next time.

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There was no incitement when the County Sheriff threatened to kill me and leave me in the desert except that I existed and had long hair and he had a shaved head. I guess that's a pretty good reason…

BTW it's you're stupid… :)

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Well, that was the 60's and hippies were going to take over and smoke a lot of dope so everybody was oh so scared!

yeah, I know how to spell, I just write too fast. Spelling bee champ 4th, 5th, and 6th grade, in English, so step off !

And you're not anti-anything anymore? Come on? Here are a few:

The BeeGees?
Journey?
Britney Spears?
Celine Dion, you gotta hate her.

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I love The Bee Gees pre-disco work. The voices are like flutes. I Started A Joke is one of the saddest songs ever written. In fact their first Greatest Hits collection holds a place of high regard in my modest record collection.

Neil Schon was a very good guitarist. Probably still is.

Britney Spears? Basically I have no idea since I don't listen to pop radio. I'm sure I probably wouldn't like it but haven't paid attention.

Celine Dion - once again wouldn't really know about the music. I'm the AD for the print campaign of her show in Vegas so she has been very good to me…
In fact I love her!

I'm sure you know how to spell but the context of that last one was too hard to pass up… :)

Seriously check out the early Bee Gees. It's wonderful…

peace

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> What the hell you going around inciting cops for?

It's just so goddam fun. Next time you're in LA let's hook up and we'll go for a run. But I'm not stupid, it's all about the limits; I never challenged the guys in Beirut with the klashins (not even when I had one too, which was admittedly pretty rare though). Or you could say it's sort of poetic justice. Or hey, maybe it's just communication: I'm telling them I think they're IDIOTS. Just make sure you're in public. One time I had a friend running his camcorder.

BTW, my best line, when seeing them use three patrol cars and a helicopter to book a poor drunk sap: "Do you pussies think you have enough people here?" Result: they followed me and gave me a ticket for a defective brake light (serves me right for exercising my free speech, gol'dangit*), but it was so worth it: you can't BUY that kind of story.

* Remember Ice-T: "Freedom of speech - just watch what you say."

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I made a flyer for one of the early Ice-T shows. I went and got a copy of Soldier of Fortune magazine and had Uzis, AR-15s, guns flying all over the place.

He was pleased as punch.

peace

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Celine Dion - once again wouldn’t really know about the music.

When I heard her hold her own with Andreas Bocelli at the Grammy's a couple years ago (I think the song was called "A Prayer"), when the goose bumps were over I had to rearrange my thinking.

One good long-hair story, circa 1970: I was in a restaurant in Paso Robles with a friend and an old lady (70 or so) who had picked us up hitch-hiking. Some red-necks at the counter kept whistling at us, and laughing. When we got up to leave about 6 of them got up and followed us out, and surrounded us. We figured they wanted to kick our butts, but as I was estimating our chances, the old lady pulls out a 38 revolver and says to them, "Don't you boys have something better to do?" - Oddly enough, they apparently all had something better to do, and we went on our way.

I have others, but many of them would incriminate me in some fashion or other.

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Cutler,
I love the Bee Gees, Cuba in the 70's, the Bee Gees was America to us! I came here for the Bee Gees! Just figured they're a punch line so I threw it out there.

And you do the print work for Celine Dion? God, what we do for a buck! I feel for you. My sister wanted to give me something for my birthday, and she said I would just love it! Opened the thing and it was a Celine Dion CD. It said how much she actually pays attention to me, but I love her anyways.

The thing about the cops is that they suck everywhere so to make judgments on a country because of the police doesn't say much. I got stopped on a highway by an African-American cop the other day because my wife turned on the map light! We had the baby in the backseat, cars whizzing by and the guy just kept being a ----, asking where I'm coming from, where I'm going, on and on. Just guys using the little power they have. If I had to deal with drunks, and all sorts of delinquents all the time I might turn into a ---- too, or a bigger ----!

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I enjoy working on Celine. Many opportunites to stretch my skills.

I feel very lucky that design is not the closest thing to my heart. That makes it a perfect career.

I've already tried turning what I love into money, didn't work for me…

peace

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>It’s just so goddam fun. Next time you’re in LA let’s hook up and we’ll go for a run.

Hrant,
I spent a lot of my teenage years with a bunch of friends and "business associates" of my father, who were from Lebanon, so I KNOW how crazy you guys can be. I won't go into it because one thing my dad taught me is to not talk about Lebanon with Lebanese. He also mentioned not to talk about politics, so I don't know how I've gone on so long here with you!

I can say that before we'd go over to our friends' place we'd always fill up on our own food because your food was strange. My dad couldn't put any of that stuff in him. I've grown up and now I love all of it. My dad's still friends with the guys but won't touch their food.

Oh, and I also picked up some handy self defense techniques from one of the shifty fellows.

ER

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Cool.

Oh, raw liver with onions and bits of lard... yummmmmmmmm.

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Man, that's vile, we wouldn't even touch the freakin' stuffed grape leaves! Cubans gotta have everything cooked. My dad would just look, stare, and ask why they had to put rice in a damn leaf?

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I like grape leaves with rice. But then again I love Unagi, Tako and Tekka-don. :^)

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Aahhh, we're finally bonding over weird foreign food, ain't America great.

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You don't like dolma? Freak…

One of the best things about living in LA is the massive amount of immigrants and the food they bring with them.

I also live right next to Jose Marti Plaza where they hold the Afro-Cuban Festival every year. They put down parque flooring in the park and there is some mean dancing going down…

peace

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Taking this way off topic, there is a local writer, William Nour, who had a wonderful story in the Journal Mizna a collection of Arab American writing. In his story called, "Dine Alone, Die Alone," he explains that the trouble the Arabs have had over the centuries resulted from the way they keep inviting people in for food. This obviously leads to invasion and foreign occupation. He imagined a giant Arab restaurant with signed pictures on the wall: "Loved the hummous," from Attila. "The grape leaves were superb," from Constantine.... I heard William read it in public and the audience loved it. Alas, it is not online.

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Kristin, you will need to work a lot harder than that to take this thread off topic :)
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Amateur!

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LOL!

A preist, a rabbi and an imam walk into a bar....

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…BONG! It was an iron bar
Sorry I couldn't help myself.
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This thread and a dead horse walk into a bar...

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The bartender says "Deja Vu...I could swear we've beaten that horse before."

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There is no need to get vicious… :)

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Do you guys know how many typographers does it take to change a bulb?

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Actually, the only gardening we do involves some rather hardy hedera.

But anyway, do tell.

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A whole world needs saving and you ----- are still here? This is like the freakin' corner shop now. Scram! get outta here! Store's closed! Go talk about what typoholics you are!

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Hey! How's it going in here?