Day 36 : 19 August 2002 (13 entries)

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* * * Please convert your fonts to outlines before submitting your t-shirt entries! Failure to do so will result in your shirt being rejected from the contest. * * *

hames's picture

Harsh.

c_acker's picture

Just for all the doubters TYPOP is still going... and its even cooler this time!!

c_acker's picture

I kinda dig the suitcase one

hames's picture

I still like the yellow and pink typop better, though.

GildedCage's picture

35.007 (back), harsh typo or not?

35.005 is great,

pairth's picture

The creator of Typop is trying to ensure victory with these beauties. But the original Typop still remains the strongest because of it's bold use of color. Hello (last of this bunch) is also great.

booska's picture

i'm liking the typop stuff the best too, the good stuff seems to be few and far between. i'm wondering if there's even more of a backlog of entries, i sent mine in on the 15th and it's not up yet.

hrant's picture

What is "Typop"?

hhp

Ale Paul's picture

I sent mine 14th and 20th and its not up yet too :(

hames's picture

I'm not sold on "Hello". It reminds me too much of a Hot Topic-ish "Hi my name is: Slim Shady" shirt. It _is_ a good shirt, it just has has an unfortunate predecessor.

tsprowl's picture

I've seen alot of personalized shirts kits happening lately. I could be cooler if the signing on the shirt had more to do with typography - like say, offers a myriad of new characters on a heat-transfer letraset or something.

hrant's picture

I once had this idea where you have a blank sweatshirt and a complete alphabet of "university-style" letters that attach to the shirt, so you could spell out "UCLA" when you're visiting Boston or "NYU" when you're in Paris... :-) Anyway.

So, again: WHAT IS "TYPOP"?!

hhp

tsprowl's picture

from following the submmissions and comments I think its simply a short form of the word Typophile, perhaps a hipper version, anagrams and such were discussed a couple days ago and typop was mentioned.

alex's picture

Hello looks like > http://www.peterfunch.com/

booska's picture

using the hello sticker is a common form of grafitti tags as well.

hrant's picture

You know what sucks? The biggest effect all these tshirts are having on me is making me feel like an old, uncool fart.

hhp

tsprowl's picture

Hrant - I was surfing your site today. v.v. far from uncool. that kind of experience and knowledge never grows old, trends and styles do.

hrant's picture

(Tanya, thanks.) hhp

Stephen Coles's picture

What is "Typop"?

hrant's picture

Fast-forward to Act V, Scene ii:
Stephen, don't worry, from your site it's clear that you're a particularly mature pre-teen. ;-)

hhp

Stephen Coles's picture

Rad. Thanks.

designalchemy's picture

Hrant, you feel like an old fart. that is too funny. How about that for a t-shirt design, properly set is a choice typeface.

pairth's picture

Who knows what typop really means. Maybe it stands for the popularization of typography. Suppose we make up our own meaning for it. Although it lacks a clever or deep concept, people would still wear it. It's well crafted and it would promote Typophile.com better than most. Whoever designed it kept in mind the immediacy that a shirt of this kind needs and the importance of making it print friendly. The design isn't too big, nor doesn't it have a lot of important detail and it smartly uses the two or three colors afforded. There are a few other excellent designs that have also been made with these things in mind.

Maybe we should have a contest to guess how old Hrant is.

Stephen Coles's picture

Hrant is 33 or 34.

(The above link lists him as "Person666". Hmm.)

hrant's picture

Is my MyFonts ID-number cool or what! I hit the big 2^5 two years ago (real computer geeks count in binary, not wimpy decimal).

BTW, Pablo said *guess*, not *lookup*, you party pooper! ;-)

hhp

Stephen Coles's picture

I poop all parties.

pairth's picture

Thanks for winning that contest Stephen. Even if you did cheat.

gulliver's picture

> Who knows what typop really means. Maybe it
> stands for the popularization of typography.
> Suppose we make up our own meaning for it.
> Although it lacks a clever or deep concept,
> people would still wear it. It's well crafted
> and it would promote Typophile.com better
> than most.

I don't care as much for the "Typop" submissions. The "Typop" logotype looks cool, to be sure, but I don't understand what it means either. If the idea of the shirts is to promote Typophile.com (even if only among our own group), it seems to me that this approach doesn't accomplish the goal. It seems an unnatural abbreviation, void of any reason other than arbitrariness.

If even we don't know what it means, how can we expect an everyday viewer to understand it? And if they don't understand it, I don't see how it would effectively communicate or promote Typophile.com.

Just my opinion. I love the letterforms, but I don't think the design works. I think that several other submissions suffer the same problem, by the way -- certainly not just this one.

What do the rest of you think?

David

cchs's picture

I agree, David. I think people forget that design is meant to be the bridge between message and audience. It is meant to craft the medium in an effort to facilitate or focus understanding. By putting design ahead of the message (such is the case with the "typop" submissions as well as many others) meaning is essentially subverted. In these instances we're really talking about decoration and not design.

hrant's picture

David, Christopher:
If you've submitted designs yourselves, I would say one thing to you: Shshsh! :-)

hhp

cchs's picture

Hrant

Ale Paul's picture

I think that Typop is a link between Type and Pop (a kind of art, remember?)
and and abbreviation of Typophile. (it is not so difficult to understand guys!)

I dont like this one.

PS: where is day 35th?

cchs's picture

Yeah, I get the type-pop hybrid, but is typophile really characterized by pop? Doesn't it have broader appeal than that?

tsprowl's picture

there's a term we use at work "retro strategizing"

when we design before thinking and then go back and justify why the design is cool and works.

I would suspect that alot of these have been retro-strategized while the designers toy around on their computers.

tsprowl's picture

there's a term we use at work "retro strategizing"

when we design before thinking and then go back and justify why the design is cool and works.

I would suspect that alot of these have been retro-strategized while the designers toy around on their computers. On the other hand there's an intuitive aspect that validates the designs for some schools of thought. Depends what side you sit on

beejay's picture

I think you guys are analyzing this too much. For what reason, I'm not sure.

Typop is just a clever shortening of typophile, and the 'Pop' part finds echoes in Pop Culture, Sub Pop records (nirvana's original label), Yum Pop clothing (hypercute japanese flava), and of course, Pop Tarts breakfast treats. Pop is just a cool word. It pops.

These are Tshirts, c'mon now.

People aren't going to see a shirt with a website address printed on it and sprint to their browsers. We have a highly specialized auidence What this is more about is finding a Tshirt that *we* will REALLY ACTUALLY BUY, something we wouldn't be ashamed to wear because it is, for lack of a better word, cool. BUYING the judge's choice helps ensure that typophile is still here in five years.

My favorite so far is 18.008/ and I like Typop, but if I was submitting it to this contest, I'd flip the 'o' and lose the little boy icon in favor of something more typographic -- remember *who* is judging. I think they are all over 30. :)

Also, Jared/Joe, the contestants need to know how revisions and variations are viewed by the judges. Could Typop variations and revisions have the effect of splitting his own votes? (I'm assuming 'he' because I saw the little boy icon on his website a while back.)

Are the revisions 'swapped out' for the originals when it's time to judge?

Are the judges under the impression that Tshirt colors are flexible, thus picking the *design* they like best, regardless of Tshirt color and design colorway?

bj

cchs's picture

I think we're analyzing things because we're designers and that's what designers do

beejay's picture

yes, Alterpop.com.! You guys have a nice site.

Well, with a couple of exceptions, Tshirts are always made to be sold. That is the case here. A person wearing a Tshirt is a 'walking billboard' but if I mention Typophile to someone (friend, wife, etc.) they are like, huh?

Not that Typop will win or won't win, but that kind of shirt will get worn with more frequency than another -- possibly. And thus, promote Typophile well.

Also, a shirt like El Typophile, which shows some nice craft, might not sell as well to US TYPOPHILES as something more 'pop'.

So hopefully the judges choice will represent a balance of typopgraphic faithfulness and coolness, or pop.

tsprowl's picture

I disagree completely -

bj: "These are Tshirts, c'mon now...something we wouldn't be ashamed to wear because it is, for lack of a better word, cool."

that idea defines my retro-stratigizing term. Its just a product, its just a game, its just a logo, its just collateral? Everything is 'just' then. This contest offers a unique opportunity to create something for a specific market. If I just wanted a cool t-shirt then I'd suggest typophile cancel the contest altogether, hire & sell some retail labels that are already determined 'cool' instead of going through an ardous task of finding cool, which could flop because well - "cool" will change with the next pop star endorsement.

hrant's picture

> retro strategizing

Or post-rationalization.
The biggest case I know of is the Chase Manhattan logo.

http://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0202&L=typo-l&D=0&I=-3&P=30813
Riiight.

> Are the revisions 'swapped out' for the originals when it's time to judge?

I think it should be possible to withdraw a submission (before the deadline).

BTW, BJ, good questions - although second-guessing judges is tricky.

> If I just wanted a cool t-shirt then I'd suggest typophile cancel the ...

Except this contest is a promotion itself!

hhp

tsprowl's picture

haha - the forms "Chase" each other...I just had an image of someone chasing themselves round and round in circles. I'm sure that's a good image to reflect when you run a bank.

anywho, your right, the contest is a promotion thing....damn, and they all want to be the next cool person who wins...hmm maybe I am thinking too hard about this

beejay's picture

Okay, after a little thinking, I want to retro-strategize® something I said. All the analysis...that means people care and that's a good thing!


But...>>> Tanya: "If I just wanted a cool t-shirt then I'd suggest typophile cancel the contest altogether, hire & sell some retail labels that are already determined 'cool' instead ..."

Besides self promotion, the Typophile Tee Shirt Contest will also provide *us* the opportunity to support Typophile when we buy the winning t-shirt design. Bandwith is not free. + All the time Joe and Jared spend on the site. Having a contest like this, as some kind of annual contest that provides Bandwith Revenue, will ensure that Typophile is around for a long time.

Everybody wants that.

I don't know if the judges have a mandate, but I hope that they pick a 'cool' design that typophiles will buy as opposed to an obscure design that people hate.

Who wouldn't want that?

Maybe we have different ideas of what the term 'cool' means. I don't mean 'trendy' or 'lowest-common denominator', I mean something people, us, would BUY. Maybe the word 'appealing' is better. (retro-strategizing® the use of the trite word 'cool')

>>Tanya: This contest offers a unique opportunity to create something for a specific market.

Exactly. Design with a purpose. Consider your audience. Because it's a contest, consider your judges. And consider the utility that your design will provide. So, somebody, anybody, knock off the current favorite designs with something amazing, something typopgraphic, something that won't need retro-strategized® in the morning.

bj

hrant's picture

> I hope that they pick a 'cool' design that typophiles will buy

But it also has to sell Typophile, not just please the buyer. Otherwise its windfall will be restricted to the revenue from shirt sales.

hhp

beejay's picture

>> But it also has to sell Typophile.

A given Hrant, but here's a twist...

A design like Typop might actually _stimulate conversation_ better than a design that spells everything out....like it has done here. Hey dude, What's Typop, What's Typop? If you're wearing the shirt, is there any better 'lead-in' to discuss typography.

That being said, I hope we see a lot more entries that give Typop a run.

bj

hrant's picture

Merde alors.

hhp

tlee's picture

Even though "Typop" is not my favorite shirt, it's successful for the amount of discussion it has created.

I don't think the objective of this contest is to "sell typophile" or even "pick a cool design that typophiles will buy". It seems much more about communication and creating a forum in which ideas and thoughts are easily exchanged.

I'm taking from this contest what I've learned by reading the comments in the forums and looking at the designs. Who wins is not that important.

If you really think this is about selling shirts or typophile then you should tell people to read the forums, enter the contest and get involved. A t-shirt is just a t-shirt.

tlee's picture

A t-shirt is just a t-shirt...

I prefer mine blank.

go2sea's picture

I don't think a word like Typop would stimulate a conversation any more than the word Typophile all spelled out. Until about two weeks ago I didn't even know about this site so both words would mean absolutely nothing to me. I would have exactly the same curiosity about a shirt that spelled Typop or Typophile. As long as the design has a good concept behind it, catches somebody's eye and springs curiosity the person will come to visit this site and maybe buy a shirt whether the shirt spells Typophile, Typop, Typhopile, Typhileop, etc...

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