STF Lido hinting issues?
Okay, so I have a problem. How cliché. Basically, I have clear-type enabled on my computer. Now, I've seen great fonts that guys have recommended that look great in the previews and screenshots. On my computer, however, they look strange and awkward (some of them, at least). Take a look at the image. What is wrong? Is it clear-type? Do any of you guys get this? Finally, how can I fix it?
Thanks!




27.Aug.2006 4.51pm
Because Lido wasn't designed to take advantage of ClearType. (My guess.)
27.Aug.2006 5.22pm
I've tested un-clear-typing my system and Lido looks the same.
-- David
27.Aug.2006 5.41pm
This sample shows problems on the vertical axis, but ClearType is currently designed to help only on the horizontal axis. It appears that this particular font is simply poorly hinted.
28.Aug.2006 5.29am
" ClearType is currently designed to help only on the horizontal axis."
Not exactly. CT is engineered to give more resolution to the horizontal axis, and to use more hints in the vertical axis.
"this particular font is simply poorly hinted." "I’ve tested un-clear-typing my system and Lido looks the same."
Exactly. CT does not do a good job rendering normal TT fonts unless they have dynamite vertical hints and a lack of horizontal complexity in the design until around 30-40 pixels per em. And sans normal TT hinted fonts are best...
29.Aug.2006 3.40pm
I'd like to see how the font rendered with CT off.
Cheers, Si
29.Aug.2006 5.31pm
Just grab yourself a free copy from
http://www.myfonts.com/fonts/storm/lido-stf/
29.Aug.2006 8.20pm
Lido is a text font that was not designed for system-wide display use. Print it out on a hi-res laser or inkjet and your opinion of the font will change.
29.Aug.2006 10.49pm
I often use Macintosh systems, so I don't think fonts should need hints.
;)
Thanks for the link though. Storm Type Foundry does some nice work.
http://www.stormtype.com/
I wasn't aware of this.
31.Aug.2006 3.59pm
It's just badly hinted, causing inconsistent x-height at typical screen res. Nothing to do with ClearType per se, as the same problem shows up without ClearType under Windows.
TrueType hinting is tricky, mind you. But even with FontLab auto-hinting I'd think one should be able to avoid this, as long as various font-wide parameters are set correctly.
Regards,
T
2.Sep.2006 8.31am
Thanks. So it's just a viewing thing?
-- David
3.Sep.2006 4.49am
"Thanks. So it’s just a viewing thing?"
if your primary output is print, yes it is a "viewing thing".
3.Sep.2006 11.41am
how can I fix it?
Use a bigger type size, and move further away from the screen :-)
3.Sep.2006 3.06pm
Or get a higher-resolution screen.
For example: My Dell Inspiron 9100 laptop has a 17" screen with pixel dimensions of 1920×1200. That works out to a resolution of 148 pixels per inch; with ClearType enabled it's even higher. On that screen, even the worst-hinted fonts don't look half bad.
The trick is to get a display that can cram the most pixels into the smallest physical display area. (Generally speaking, bigger is not better.)
6.Sep.2006 4.53am
...but your cheapest fix is probably to take the font you like, strip out all the hints and use it that way...
10.Sep.2006 4.48pm
Thanks, everyone.
-- David
11.Sep.2006 10.57am
My guess is that this font is autohinted in FontLab, and that the alignment zones have not been correctly set by the person who made the font, such that, for example, the top of the lowercase y is slightly below the bottom of the x-height alignment zone, so is not being correctly aligned.
FontLab autohinting works best if you manually set up the alignment zones ahead of time.
12.Sep.2006 10.32pm
> The trick is to get a display that can cram the most
> pixels into the smallest physical display area.
The trick to what - working out your neck muscles? Very high ppi numbers can backfire in many real-world situations. I have the same Dell as you (although it's called E1705) but I intentionally chose the 1440×900 display: more than just saving the measley $150, I think I'm saving a lot on Tylenol. :-)
hhp