whew! i’m glad the work day’s over! (ﬁnaly) Thanks hrant & kent for the great insight into what makes a good news face. i think i’m starting to understand… hrant, what would be your suggestions for a trial scheme? I’m game for it whatever it is. just lemme know.
I guess it depends on how far you’d have to take the font to feel conﬁdent enough to buy it. Please contact me in private (when I tried -through your Typophile proﬁle- it didn’t work) and we’ll ﬁgure it out. hhp
I wrote: > check out all the wonderful stuﬀ on news typography written by Paul Hunt. That’s funny… You probably thought that was some wisecrack. The guy’s name is Allen Hutt. hhp
I had a pretty good chuckle at that one, i must say.;^D Gimme a few more years with some hands on experience and then i’ll start writing my own studies on good news design. hey hrant, do you have any place where i can check out pricing info on Patria so that i can give it due consideration?
Well, Patria is still not ready for full release. :-/ I know what I need to ﬁx, but it needs to be one big push (just like the ﬁrst iteration was back when) so I need to be able to allocate a big enough block of undisturbed time. The biggest problem in the current version is the serif structure in the caps. Even so, I actually sold a copy last year to somebody who used it to superb eﬀect: http://www.themicrofoundry.com/other/SGS.gif (Paired with Carter’s Mantinia.) This is one reason I’d oﬀer a trial scheme (basically because I’d like to have actual newsprint of it in action), but since it would be a “one-oﬀ” deal I’d rather not discuss it in public. You could give me your address (the one in your proﬁle here doesn’t seem to work) or just use mine: hrant-thatsymbol-inverselogic-dot-corn. Thanks. hhp
Well, all i can say is good luck. It’s a fun process but a tricky one as well. Looks like you’ve made good progress so far Paul. I can’t give you anymore advice on type that the experts here haven’t already said. But a few resources for you to check out in consideration to newspaper design. NewspageDesigner is wonderful. Get to see what other news and magazine designers are putting out around the country. Easily the best resource out there for people dealing with newspaper design. I would also recomend “Seeing the Newspaper” by Kevin Barnhurst. I have just started reading it and it has some good tips/ideas. It was recomended to me by a newspaper man (photographer, designer, journalist) with 35+ years of experience in the business. I can’t say it enough, but just look at other newspapers. Find ones that you like and enjoy then follow them for a while. Some of my favorites, as far as design go, are the Orange County Register, Hartford Courant, Seatle Post Intelligencer, Wisonsin State Journal just to mention a few. If you need more, I have about another dozen i could give you to look at. Oh, and i forgot. Check out Mario Garcia. Some people think his stuﬀ has become a bit too similar in newspaper design of late, but many people still bow down before him. Hope some of these suggestions help. Good luck and remember to have fun.
I’ve not done oﬃcial newspaper design either. So my thoughts are based on personal visual preference. * * * Paul — Are you trying to soften the body text? Is this why you like Cheltenham? What about Miller from Font Bureau? It has both text and display versions, and it is wonderful to use. Or how about Le Monde Journal from JFP at Typofonderie? Personally, I would avoid Joanna, for instance the counter in the ‘a’ is too tiny (IMHO) for the news, and there isn’t enough contrast. Randy’s idea of incorporating a woodcut or engraving is nice, but I would probably opt for the ﬂag and not the statue. The statue looks as if you need all of it, and the shape it creates isn’t very interesting. Agincourt is nice, I like the blackness of it. You might also research the newspaper work of Roger Black.