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Carol Twombly.. Please help me!
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I have spent the past 3 weeks trying to obtain every piece of information about [[Carol Twombly]] for a project in my typography class. I keep seeing things on the web about interviews with her.

If anyone knows where (website) I can find an interview with her it would extremely helpful.

I am also looking for information about her life today. Is she married? any kids? that kind of information. The last thing I found is that she retired from Adobe.

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Lindsey you can contact softblue through their profile

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Just to be crystal:
1) I don't necessarily believe every word of that.
2) I'm not claiming one is better; I'd simply like to see
more people acknowledge -and even relish- differences.

Equality is death.

hhp

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Hello,

I have been hoping to reach Carol, a Classmate from High School.
I am registered here and have a post with some contact info,
but I am unable to get to it. If anyone knows where Carol Twombley is,
and is in touch with her, her old friend Mary Beth ( Fung)
is just wanting to say hi. emailmb@mac.com
Thank you,
Mary Beth

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My interest is different in that I just want o say hi to an old classmate.

Thanks!

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Hi Mary Beth. I'll forward your message to Carol.

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Hannah Arendt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannah_Arendt), despite her disavowal of the term, was nevertheless one of the greatest twentieth-century philosophers. Thanks to her work in Eichmann in Jerusalem: A Report on the Banality of Evil, she was a household name for a while, but even better is her work in Between Past and Future: Six Exercises in Political Thought and in The Human Condition. A few samples:

"But it could be that we, who are earthbound creatures and have begun to act as though we were dwellers of the universe, will forever be unable to understand, that is, to think and speak about the things which nevertheless we are able to do."

"Modern politics is at war with truth."

“The aim of totalitarian education has never been to instill conviction but to destroy the capacity to form any.”

“It is as though mankind had divided itself between those who believe in human omnipotence (who think that everything is possible if one knows how to organize masses for it) and those for whom powerlessness has become the major experience of their lives.”

. . . just to do my part in aiding and abetting the thread that would not die . . .

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About one year after your first post on this thread, I find myself researching the very same Carol Twombly for typography class... Thanks, Heather, for what you started here, I'm new to design altogether and type is something I have grown to love in the last couple of weeks. Reading all this about her and other random things makes me realize I have so much to learn, and it's exciting :]

.m

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Awesome stuff. Never heard of her (my point).

hhp

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Wow, the thread that wouldn't die gets yet more surreal.

The thing that tends to get overlooked when scientists discover a natural cause for a particular sexual attraction or predilection, as with observation of the occurrence of various kinds of sexual activity among other species, is that natural cause doesn't imply anything about morality. There's a romantic tendency to assume that everything that is 'natural' is morally good or at least morally neutral, which misses the point that morality can only be connected to nature via metaphysics, e.g. through a theology of creation; without such a metaphysics, morality is confined to the human social realm. The fact that some people appear to be genetically predisposed to be attracted to the same sex doesn't imply that sex between people of the same sex is moral, any more than the fact that very large numbers of men are apparently genetically disposed to be attracted to dozens women in the course of the average day (presuming they live in a sufficiently large urban evironment) doesn't imply that promiscuity is moral. Nor does the fact that homosexual behaviour is observable among other species mean that it is morally neutral: gang rape and necrophilia are also observed among other species. Which is not to equate these things, only to point out the fallaciousness of making moral arguments from nature.

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Hello All.

I was looking for Carol, too.
Carol and I atteneded the same High School
and many of the same Art classes.
I think of her often and her nick name for me....."fung"

If anyone knows where I might reach her,
please email me at mbmudgett5@gmail.com

Mary Beth (Mudgett) ODonnell
I hope to get back here soon, but if anyone would like to email me, or her,
that would be so appreciated,

Thanks so much,
Mary Beth Mudgett ODonnell
Massachusetts

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So what about that stand-up comic business after all, eh?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7153584.stm

hhp

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Hrant! Long time no.

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Carol is even more reclusive and private than Robert Slimbach (which is saying something), and has moved on to other crafts, so I think the odds of that are, mmm... about zero. A shame, but there you have it.

Cheers,

T

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Thanks Thomas for the info.

Mike :-)

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I've sent your note/info to Carol. I hope you are able to reconnect!

Cheers,

T

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I think it is safe to say that, "Carol can't help."

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You remind me of a cartoon I saw in my college paper in the previous century where during a fair the Gay & Lesbian Club attacks the Necrophilia Club for being immoral and disgusting. However this, sadly, is not a cartoon.

hhp

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Happy New Year, Hrant!

ChrisL

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Does anyone know how i can get a hold of softbluecries1? I have to do a presentation on Carol as well for my typographic class and would like to compare research. I'm new to this website and can't figure out how to get in touch with her

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Point taken.

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It would be nice if Carol would pop in Typophile every once and while. Her lauded Chaparral is still such a hot topic.

:-) Mike

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> A 22-page (!) article on Carol Twombly and her type design work at Adobe in the early 90s can be found in Design Graphics magazine, issue #4.

Has anybody still got that article? Looks like DG has removed the back issues offer.

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Damm you!!!!!

Mikey ;O)

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wow..

It seems as if I'm not the only one in search of the mystique that is Carol Twombl(e)y.

Its been a VERY interesting, educating, and opinionated thread to have read through.

Im currently in a design program and studying typefaces in a Typography design class. If anyone else has relative information factual or fictional, please post a link or share indeed.

and if BOJEV is still out there pleeease contact me (twentysix26@juno.com) so I can possibly get the scan of Carol you have with the vertical Trajan alphabet. Trajan is the particular font Im studying and that scan would prove amazing for my poster design ideas.

Thanks

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If you can't find this info elsewhere, you might try Chuck Bigelow, he's in Rochester too (at RIT), and I'm sure he could fill you in on the details - he must know what she's up to.

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There's a decent interview of her in an old issue of Serif magazine. I myself have heard pretty much nothing of what she's done since Adobe. Question: will you be covering Mirarae well? It's a superb design, and proves ol' Blaise Pascal's maxim.

BTW, I'm curious, what made you take this on?

hhp

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I have contacted Charles Bigelow but the only information he could give me I already knew. How would I go about finding the issue of Serif Magazine? Is it viewable online?

My professor gave us a list of type designers and when I looked up her info I was interested. It is our final project.

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> How would I go about finding the issue of Serif Magazine?

By bartering with somebody who has it, hint hint? :-)

hhp

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There's a bit of info on her in Adobe's old promo mag, Font and Function. I'll try to hunt it up this weekend. Still, this would be not recent info, perhaps 10 years old.

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Here is a scan of the designer page in an old Adobe Trajan specimen from 1989:

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I remember I read an interview by Tim Rolands, it might be online.

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Heather:
When is your assignment due?

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The last I heard about Carol was that she wasn't married but had a steady and had gone off to Nevada or somewhere like that to weave. She liked skiing. She hated working at Adobe. She was knowledgeable about type but obviously wasn't interested in it by the time I was spending time with her between 1996 and 1998. It's a little cruel to say, but anybody who thinks she made, on her own, an important contribution to type design simply doesn't know anything about Carol Twombley other than the public relations puffery that Adobe put out about her. At Adobe she was hemmed in by powerful figures like Slimbach and Stone, and never had a chance to express anything particularly original. I don't think she had any interest in doing so. If she had, we would have heard something from her in all the years after. Or perhaps her decades of corporate warfare at Adobe had bludgeoned the creativity out of her. Type wasn't a happy story Carol and she got out as soon as she could. For the gory details, assuming they would talk, and I don't think they will, E.M. Ginger in Oakdale or Linnea Lundquist were (and I imagine still are) good friends. When all is said and done, Adobe Caslon is a fabulous typeface, perhaps the best text typeface Adobe ever produced in the Originals series. How much of it was Carol's and how much of it was Sumner Stone's? ? ? ? Sumner was, after all, the art director, and Sumner knows a lot about type . . . . . . . That last big family she did -- what name was it called? named after some sort of desert grass -- was misconceived in my opinion. Carol's story at Adobe is a classic and ugly and common tale of male subjugation. Was she particularly vulnerable? Why did she put up with it for as long as she did? Was there a happy ending? Lots of interesting questions.

There definitely was a mystique attached to her. How much that was the creation of Adobe's brilliant PR people and how much due to Carol's own talent and innate glamour, is not immediately apparent. But it was there. I know a type-besotted fellow who, when he was a teen, had a poster of Carol in his bedroom. You can imagine the rest. Of course he also believes in UFOs, but then lots of people do.

What I'm trying to say is that the little that is known about Carol Twombley (does her name have an e or not?) is the result of a carefully constructed PR edifice. Arriving at the truth of what happened with her and type will bring you to some completely different places.

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Heather, it sounds like you indeed chose an interesting candidate!

hhp

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Twombley spaces much better than Twombly - but like Wembley it is hard for Americans to pronounce.

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Hello Bill Troop !

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I keep seeing things on the web...

Have you tried looking through those antiquated, old-fashioned things called books, like this one?

The world doesn't begin and end with the World Wide Web, y'know.

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>The world doesn’t begin and end with the World Wide Web, y’know.

'begin', no, but 'end', let's wait and see.

Cheers, Si

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Yes Ricardo, I have looked through books. The assignment is due Tuesday.

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My apologies for the sarcasm, and good luck.

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Mr. Troop, I don't want to sidetrack this thread, but something has been bugging me since I read your long and opinionated comment -- no matter how well you know someone, aren't they entitled to some privacy? Would you want someone writing about you this way, and with this much detail, on a public forum?

Just a thought.

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If its factual, I say tell it and tell it some more.

Mike

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BTW... I doubt your instructor knows more about her than you do. She has really been a silent figure in type. Bill Troops scandal is exclusive stuff there although I strongly disagree with his assessment of Chaparral.

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The last I heard about Carol...

...we would have heard something from her in all the years after...

...assuming they would talk, and I don’t think they will...

...were (and I imagine still are) good friends...

Was she particularly vulnerable? Why did she put up with it for as long as she did? Was there a happy ending? Lots of interesting questions. [...] (does her name have an e or not?)

Lots of questions indeed. And comments bordering on the gossipy. Are these facts, or assumptions? And facts or no, if the subject herself and her friends are so quiet about it, maybe that means they don't want to talk about it.

I know a type-besotted fellow who, when he was a teen, had a poster of Carol in his bedroom. You can imagine the rest.

No, I can't. And what the heck is this comment supposed to mean???

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this is a scream... i'm sure it's EXACTLY what heather's looking for.

i think typophile should open up an entirely new forum category for humorous tabloid scandals of all our favorite designers.

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Heather:
Email me and I'll send you a scan of the Serif article, and another one from a 1994 Design Graphics magazine.

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Would you want someone writing about you this way, and with this much detail, on a public forum?

I agree. If anything, its just in poor taste.

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>a little cruel

I agree with Terry. I have no way of judging the accuracy of what Bill Troop writes, but whatever the truth it is not an excuse for cruelty. In traditional Jewish ethics this kind of thing is called lashon hara--the evil tongue--and is regarded not simply as in poor taste, but as seriously unethical.

There is enough cruelty in the world. Why add to it?

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Chapparrall is a great face (although I always have trouble spelling it).
So she definitely quit at the top of her game.
Twombly has her own style that runs through Charlemagne, Nueva and Chaparal -- too bad she didn't stick with the tour, we're missing the sans.