This is typical. The more angry somebody is at something* and the more powerless he is against it the more he imagines its presence, in order to be able to react to the perceived injustice instead of looking at the sad scene in the mirror.

* In your case, men?

> you should have just said so.

You sound like Inspector Clouseau.

If you're serious, think deeply (and to yourself for
a while) about what this Difference truly implies.

hhp

Work on your apology skills (not to mention your reading skills) and things are likely to improve for you.

hhp

Poland is in the geographical centre of the European continent. This is largely due to the fact that the European part of Russia is quite large (though of course it's nothing compared to the Asian part of Russia).

If you look at this map (which correctly shows the European part of Russia) then Poland really looks like being very much in the middle (along with Germany):

This is the reason why the Polish (along with the Czechs, Slovaks and Hungarians) like to insist that they're "Central European" and not "East European" countries. I believe after the extension of the EU this distinction is actually bearing some sense — one can reserve the term "East European" for Cyrillic-written countries such as Russia, Ukraine or Belarus, while the Central European ones are those that used to be Eastern, aspire to be Western but aren't quite there yet.

Of course, if you exclude Russia from Europe completely, and disregard the notion of "Central" Europe, then even Hamburg is an Eastern European city. ;)

A.

I don't know, Adam. It looks like Slovakia edges out Poland for center--and it's a "green" State :-)

ChrisL

The problem is people seriously try to figure out where the center of Europe is at all. The concept of "Western" is very valid; trying to nail down its geography is not.

hhp

Thanks for apologizing. For my part, I was too harsh - I'm sorry.

That said, please don't stop generalizing! :->

hhp

He might or might not see this soon, so if you give me your email
I'll pass it along to him. Mine is: hpapazian_at_gmail_dot_com

hhp

It's good to read typophile again :-)
(That smiley stands for a real smile.)

If it's still relevant, Adobe Caslon is one of the two digital types I find most endlessly enjoyable to look at. I'd rather see headlines in it than in Big Caslon. (Does anyone else dislike both Big Caslon and Caslon's large sizes? I hope they weren't by Wm Caslon I, whose text sizes were inconsistent in everything but their excellence.)

According to James Mosley's notes to the reprint of Caslon's 1766 specimen book, most of the large sizes were done by Caslon I, though some are by others.

Of course Big Caslon has a lot of Matthew Carter in it also. Another take on the large sizes is Caslon 540, originally from ATF. Do you dislike that as well?

Caslon I has much more logic to his alphabets and different sizes than is obvious; it has only taken me a couple of years full time to figure this out :)

I don't agree with your assessment of Adobe Caslon, and in particular that it does well at large sizes. Carol Twombly herself said it shouldn't be used at large sizes. For starters, at large sizes the flat-top serifs on the Roman have a 'bone effect' that I find unattractive.

>Will you write up, or have you already

I did talk about it at TypeCon last summer. It has changed significantly since then as well as expanded. I hope I when I next talk or write about it, it will be finished.

And yes, the text sizes too. There is also a lot of just random variation too, so that makes it harder to pin down what makes it great, and separate the logic from what was a case of needing to get it out the door--which I am increasingly appreciating :)

Very sorry to hear that you had to drop out of Reading. I do hope you are well now.

Lindsey you can contact softblue through their profile

Hrant! Long time no.

> A 22-page (!) article on Carol Twombly and her type design work at Adobe in the early 90s can be found in Design Graphics magazine, issue #4.

Has anybody still got that article? Looks like DG has removed the back issues offer.

wow..

It seems as if I'm not the only one in search of the mystique that is Carol Twombl(e)y.

Its been a VERY interesting, educating, and opinionated thread to have read through.

Im currently in a design program and studying typefaces in a Typography design class. If anyone else has relative information factual or fictional, please post a link or share indeed.

and if BOJEV is still out there pleeease contact me (twentysix26@juno.com) so I can possibly get the scan of Carol you have with the vertical Trajan alphabet. Trajan is the particular font Im studying and that scan would prove amazing for my poster design ideas.

Thanks

Damm you!!!!!

Mikey ;O)

Wow, the thread that wouldn't die gets yet more surreal.

The thing that tends to get overlooked when scientists discover a natural cause for a particular sexual attraction or predilection, as with observation of the occurrence of various kinds of sexual activity among other species, is that natural cause doesn't imply anything about morality. There's a romantic tendency to assume that everything that is 'natural' is morally good or at least morally neutral, which misses the point that morality can only be connected to nature via metaphysics, e.g. through a theology of creation; without such a metaphysics, morality is confined to the human social realm. The fact that some people appear to be genetically predisposed to be attracted to the same sex doesn't imply that sex between people of the same sex is moral, any more than the fact that very large numbers of men are apparently genetically disposed to be attracted to dozens women in the course of the average day (presuming they live in a sufficiently large urban evironment) doesn't imply that promiscuity is moral. Nor does the fact that homosexual behaviour is observable among other species mean that it is morally neutral: gang rape and necrophilia are also observed among other species. Which is not to equate these things, only to point out the fallaciousness of making moral arguments from nature.

Hello All.

I was looking for Carol, too.
Carol and I atteneded the same High School
and many of the same Art classes.
I think of her often and her nick name for me....."fung"

If anyone knows where I might reach her,
please email me at mbmudgett5@gmail.com

Mary Beth (Mudgett) ODonnell
I hope to get back here soon, but if anyone would like to email me, or her,
that would be so appreciated,

Thanks so much,
Mary Beth Mudgett ODonnell
Massachusetts

It would be nice if Carol would pop in Typophile every once and while. Her lauded Chaparral is still such a hot topic.

:-) Mike

Thanks Thomas for the info.

Mike :-)

My interest is different in that I just want o say hi to an old classmate.

Thanks!

Hannah Arendt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannah_Arendt), despite her disavowal of the term, was nevertheless one of the greatest twentieth-century philosophers. Thanks to her work in Eichmann in Jerusalem: A Report on the Banality of Evil, she was a household name for a while, but even better is her work in Between Past and Future: Six Exercises in Political Thought and in The Human Condition. A few samples:

"But it could be that we, who are earthbound creatures and have begun to act as though we were dwellers of the universe, will forever be unable to understand, that is, to think and speak about the things which nevertheless we are able to do."

"Modern politics is at war with truth."

“The aim of totalitarian education has never been to instill conviction but to destroy the capacity to form any.”

“It is as though mankind had divided itself between those who believe in human omnipotence (who think that everything is possible if one knows how to organize masses for it) and those for whom powerlessness has become the major experience of their lives.”

. . . just to do my part in aiding and abetting the thread that would not die . . .

I think it is safe to say that, "Carol can't help."