Undefeated Slab Serif with Tuscan Bulges?

wormwood's picture

I'm not sure why but I suspect this may be a custom font...

BTW is there a typographic name for those half diamonds on the outer sides of the uprights?

Stephen Coles's picture

Don't know what I'd call it other than a decorative embellishment usually associated with old west fonts.

Miss Tiffany's picture

IIRC the triangular shape first appeared in the Didot on the lowercase-l (ell) to differentiate it somehow. I've emailed the big guns to see if they can't clarify.

Stephen Coles's picture

Sure you aren't thinking of a long s, Tiff?

Lex Kominek's picture

You might be able to closely replicate this by adding the diamond thingies to Berthold City.

- Lex

Randy's picture

I belief the "diamond thingies" described here are typical Tuscan embelishment arising out of 19th century woodtype design. I'm no type historian so identifying the "first" example is beyond my brain.

What's cool about this is that it combines the tuscan element with an industrial feeling geometric slab. The result is a very hip mashup.

BTW following is a digital font I'm pretty sure, the serifs are off but the basic slab, and diamonds are right on.

This also is in the same veign, but a sans:
http://www.myfonts.com/fonts/woodentypefonts/gothic-tuscan-round/

Miss Tiffany's picture

Perhaps I'm going to far back in history. It was the lowercase-l (ell) and I'm pretty sure it was Didot.

hrant's picture

Tiffany you're talking about the mark first seen in
the RdR, but it's not really the same thing as this.

hhp

Miss Tiffany's picture

Thanks, Hrant. That's right. Yes, I know that now. That's why I said I think I went too far back.

wormwood's picture

Blimey. Have I really stumped Typophile twice in one post? I doubt it.

So it's a custom font and those embellishments have no standardised typographic anatomical name then.

I'm guessing Tuscan embellishments come in a variety of forms and positions on a glyph? Googling the phrase "Tuscan embellishment" only results in one highly inappropriate result. So it doesn't look like that singular element can be called that then.

Thanks for your efforts everyone anyway :)

hrant's picture

"Tuscan flourish" is the more common expression.

hhp

wormwood's picture

Sorry to go on, but just to clarify, is “Tuscan flourish” the expression for just those side spur thingies or for a variety of wobbly bits like in Randy's picture above?

Miss Tiffany's picture

If anything, given this genre, spur is perfect.

Ehague's picture

According to the Baines/Haslam Typography book, Tuscans are classified as such based on whether or not their serifs fork. The passage goes on to say that toward the end of the 19th century, Tuscan stems began to aquire "bulges" (from which one would guess the diamond-shaped embellishments evolved).

wormwood's picture

Thanks Eric. That will do for me.

So without anything more definitive can we declare those half diamonds on the outer sides of the uprights a...

TUSCAN BULGE

How would one go about making it official? I like the phrase for its risqué double entendre alone. It's a shame the Tuscany region isn't one of the bulges in the Italian coastline.

paul d hunt's picture

How would one go about making it official?

start using it. if others like it they'll start using it.

hrant's picture

Of course even better would be to use the Italian term for bulge...

And what Paul said.

hhp

wormwood's picture

Hey, Paul, did you happen to see those Tuscan Bulges on the Undefeated logotype at the start of this thread? I thought, as Tuscan Bulges go, they were quite good ones. I especialy liked the way these Tuscan Bulges were complimentary to the angles elsewhere in the font.

Of course these Tuscan Bulges are not the most Tuscan of Tuscan Bulges or even the most bulging of Tuscan Bulges but they are still very nice Tuscan Bulges all the same.

bowfinpw's picture

Nah, nice try, but that won't do it. It's got to become widely used by lots of folks in these forums, like Tiffany's term 'Squooshed'. ;)

- Mike Yanega

paul d hunt's picture

heh, my new favorite term i hope catches on is some-serifs. Hypatia Sans is a great exemplar of the some-serifs genre of typefaces.

wormwood's picture

Paul, it's funny you should mention that because I've been working on a design for a some-slab serif typeface.

I may even do a version with Tuscan Bulges :D

bowfinpw's picture

I thought I might return to the original question, and suggest a similar typeface, though not as squared. It does have the 'Tuscan Bulges' (patent pending). See Cowboy Western from Font Mesa.

- Mike Yanega

wormwood's picture

Jeepers Mike, someone could lose an eye on those Tuscan Bulges ;)

Linda Cunningham's picture

The only Tuscan Bulge I get is when I eat too much good Italian food. ;-)

wormwood's picture

Hey, Linda, youz can call me Toni. I got a Tuscan Bulge in my Levi's just for you sweet cheeks ;)

Linda Cunningham's picture

ROFL: take a number and stand in line. ;-)

G T's picture

Good point, well made, denis, but I don't see the relevance to Tuscan bulges?

Graham

Lex Kominek's picture

I like how "Denis" entered a first name, but put random gibberish in the other fields of his registration.

- Lex

G T's picture

If you gonna do something (pointless - especially on a type website) you might as well do it properly.

bye bye denis.

Graham

cuttlefish's picture

Don't mind me. Just taking notes here for future developments...

But anyway, Bablefish translates "Tuscan bluge" as "Rigonfiamento toscano".

wormwood's picture

Iberian bulges?

A bit too sharp for my liking.

Latino bulges?

Miss Tiffany's picture

I think bulge in this instance implies something ugly. If something is bulging, it seems to me, it is a lack of proper engineering or design. However, the above typographic and *ahem* physcial features are both not ugly and designed on purpose.

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