Whats does Mickey Mouse and the Swaztika have in common and what differences?

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> Artists and Designers try to elevate the bottom parts and shoot for higher things

Bojev, that reminds of underware's seller named "Sayyad= Kingfisher" in my hometown who could not resist a chunky goldfish turning shirts and shorts on his desk. Here the story goes:

Goldfish: How much is this shirt?
Kingfisher: 6 Dirhams
Goldfish : And this short?
Kingfisher: 5 Dirhams.

Goldfish: No discount?
Kingfisher: Shirt 7 + Short 4, OK?
Goldfish : More?
Kingfisher: Shirt 8 + Short 3, OK?

Goldfish: The short is going down and the shirt is going up?
Kingfisher: How are you off for the cash?
Goldfish: How are you off for the ... ?!

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Miss Giggles,

I wondered what happened to you - it's been a long while since I've seen one of your topics emerge here.

I also wonder why you have selected this topic, better, what does it have to do with type?

This is a day that I am in mourning. My mind is all over the place as I grieve for my dog (see the Bichon in the photo) got run over and killed by a UPS truck this morning.

I am trying to keep my mind on anything but Bogie, and yet I see your ridiculous "argument" open for discussion, and dear lady, I wonder are you for real?

Notice, not asking if you have an IQ of a genius, or the lack of any mentality whatsoever - just curious if you are really for real?

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Jackie,

I am so sorry about your dog, how awful.

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I think the mods make these threads up to keep silliness confined.

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Sorry to hear about the Dog Departure.
And so are Kingfisher+Goldfish for their Dogfish.
(The 3 are real).

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Sheesh Jackie, i'm very sorry about your dog but don't take out your life aggression on me thank you. I am human and I have had many peopel close to me pass away within 3 months but don't mean I take it out on others and on someone who has started a thread on design. Sorry for your grief but I have had much of that myself from a very young age and still do. My thread is about Mickey Mouse and Swaztika. You didn't have to post an answer you know...
About when someone asked what it had to do with type...I did not ask about type and niether did I asked in the type section so what are you complaining about? Sheesh...what's the world coming to? I asked in regards logos and identity and its effects on society and people during the war and around the contextual design area so I asked in the DESIGN section! I don't mean to be rude sorry.

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Jackie,

Sometimes truth is stranger than fiction. I am not sure any of us are quite creative enough to invent a character as entertaining as missgiggles. But you're not the first to wonder.

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Miss G, your question "What does Mickey Mouse and the Swaztika have in common and what differences?" is such a combination of freshness, energy, muddle, pedantry, and bad grammar and spelling as to deserve landing in some kind of 'student topic hall of fame.'

Judging by history, it seems that you can be as muddled as you like and get along fine as a designer. But professional designers generally believe in craftsmanship, and sloppiness is something many of them won't forgive. And these professionals include your potential future bosses.

So just for your edification here is an inferior but grammatical revision of your topic question:

"What do Mickey Mouse and the Swastika have in common as symbols and what are their differences?"

Hrant H Papazian's picture
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Your interjection of "as symbols" is distortive.

hhp

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>distortive

I think you should become Miss G's tutor :)

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Too late.

hhp

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Okay - it's a day later. Thank you all for your concern about my poor little dog.

The other dog, Lauren has been running around searching - including going many times to the last place she saw Bogie. I hope she will be okay. She always knew how to keep to herself for long periods of time -- it was Bogie that forced her to play, run, skip, jump and dance. (Yep the two of them would cha cha cha all over the living room.)

As for swatstikas and Mickey Mouse - it is a laugh and a topic that to me, does not make sense here -- even in the "design" column.

If you continue your research you will learn such lovely words as:

"For the sheer power of the graphics," the sculptor Ernest Trova once said, "Mickey Mouse is rivaled only by the Coca-Cola trademark and the swastika."

and I think you have twisted what Ernest Trova said into this ridiculous question.

Or maybe you stumbled across a little bit of information in an anti-nazi campaign of the 30s - where Goebbels was portrayed as a mouse with a swastika -- in an attempt to allow the masses to know that the master race was not being controlled by the master race.

Perhaps you are a fan of the art director Chip Kidd - who once said, ""...Graphic Design, if you wield it effectively, is Power. Power to transmit ideas that change everything. Power that can destroy an entire race or save a nation from despair. In this century, Germany chose to do the former with the swastika, and America opted for the latter with Mickey Mouse and Superman."

and somehow in your giggly mind I think you take pleasure in antagonizing -- being familiar with some of your threads, I have noticed you just like to pick a topic, maybe confuse it even, and try to get people to jump. You probably don't even care what they are saying or how they are saying it. And if someone is oppose to what you say - you change your meaning in mid-stream. If some one is with you - oh, wait - I haven't found that yet, so I cannot comment.

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I do thank you for taking my mind off my grief even only for a moment.

I will now say kaddish for tens of millions of deaths, that includes 6 million jews, 6 million gypsy and Eastern Europeans, soldiers and civilians from all nations. Among that I will say an extra prayer for my own family members who did not survive the war. Followed by prayers for my mother, grandmother, great aunt, uncle - all of whom I've missed for the past 25 years and a special prayer for Bogie.

Please try to be careful Miss Giggles - life is very short. The world is smaller than you think. And since I'm going for cliches - What comes around -- goes around. Perhaps thinking what you really want to say and add to the community before writing would be a great asset to your future endeavors.

*****
P.S. I see you have taken a shorter version of your quesiton to Yahoo
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070424135335AA3XJeQ
and didn't get much of a response.

Maybe that is the answer...

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The murder of my grandparents paved the way for that of yours.
But the convenient, one-sided denial continues.

hhp

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Well, maybe I should just say thank you Ms Giggles for making me think. I looked around the internet and came across an interesting article for you. You see - the ban on Mickey Mouse just didn't sit right. I could understand Hitler wanted his swastika on children's uniforms being first and foremost...

And Popeye did a much better job reaching the establishment about being pro-American during those same years. You should if you find them check out his cartoons.

Meanwhile I came across this and thought it might help you out a bit. Of all the crap out there, this at least has a sense of research and intelligence.

http://www.freewebs.com/banmickey/theproof.htm

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Jackie, I really appreciate everyone's advice and comments. I do read them. I am not the kind of person people on here think. I do sympathise with your situation because I have been in bad situations myself when it comes to loosing beloved people may it be human or pet but sometimes we have to keep career as career and personal life as personal life beacuse for example a teacher's relationship with her partner is getting bad to worse and nearly ending in divorce. She comes in angry in class and punishes the students by her agitated, agressive behaviour and tells the kids off for somethign they didn't do. That is really unfair. I feel like I am being punished for your dog passing away and it's not even my fault. This puts someone down totally and why would you want to do that for? Lots of peopel ahve lost their beloved partners etc to cancer, war, accidents etc but you certainly don't go punishing others. As for the advice. I really appreciate your help. Please keep the above in mind. I totally believe in 'What comes around goes around' but I didn;t do anything to cause your dog passing away so why do you want to punish me for? You know what, I can't be botehred to keep going anymore. You are all adults on here and you should all know the difference between right and wrong by now, surely! I am just as human as the rest of you.

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Miss Giggles

I will once again, as I have in previous threads, reminded you that because you do not hear intonations, see facial gestures or know the person the is writing -- or the style of writing -- that you seem to not grasp a comprehension of what is being written to you.

What I have written has nothing, not a thing, to do with Bogie. It does have to do with the stupidity of your original posting in this thread.

Is that clear enough now?

and here is a P.S. for you to comprehend. Though it is more than 30 years ago, I received my BA from University, and have forgotten so much of what I learned, I did not study graphic arts there. I hold a BA in Europeean History 1805-1945, and find this "design discussion" too much off the wall for anyone serious to contend with. Please, go talk to Chip Kidd instead - you can find him at Random House in NYC. You can talk about Mickey's 4 limbs being bent out of shape - and ohhhh, maybe it looks like a swastika.

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No need to be nasty now and what was the 'Well, maybe I should just say thank you Ms Giggles for making me think' phrase above? Now now, I hear myself cry...is my thread really that stupid?

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Good night Miss Giggles.

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God bless...