Absolute Minimal

fluffy's picture

I like to fit as much information as I can into as tight a space as possible.

I am a masochist with good eyesight.

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fluffy's picture

Argh. I didn't realize typophile didn't allow PNG attachments. Let's try this again...

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Joe Pemberton's picture

Miguel? Did you mean this?

psa_dontsteal

Explain.

Miguel Hernandez's picture

Sorry for the messy posts, the idea is discuss about steal here, with open mind ok? ;)

Absolute "Minority" looks like "three dots...

Miguel

rcapeto's picture

Miguel, I think the idea of "stealing" and
plagiarism in low-res bitmap fonts is elusive to
say the least. There's only so much one can do
with that few pixels. In the case in point, the
idea is not terribly original anyway, and as one
reduces the design grid, solutions naturally
tend to converge. Of course, there's always
scope for some personality: for instance, your
Three-Dots 'E' is rather original (and not very
legible ;), but it's in any case slightly similar
to the one in an exercise done by a student
of mine a few years ago - and you didn't know
it (of course, the art-déco guys had done this
sort of 'E' 70 years before Gustavo or you ;).

I'd think very hard before deciding that a low-res
bitmap font was "stolen". Having said that, I
should add that I didn't bother to enlarge the
image of Absolute Minimal to check if there's
any unexpected similarity to your design.
Cheers.

fluffy's picture

I'd never seen any absolute minimal bitmap font before. I'm sure I'm not the first to do one, and yeah, there's not that many ways to do a 3x3 font (I mean, there's only 512 unique 3x3 bitmaps altogether, most of which do not actually represent a letter. :)

I only discovered this site very recently (yesterday, in fact) and in a cursory examination of the forums, I didn't find another minimal font. Also, I'd like to point out that I did the tiny font way back in March. You might want to consider that before accusing me of plagiarism.

Miguel Hernandez's picture

The Word "STEAL" is terrible, so its the reason for the discuss (I think that im too sensible to the idea of someone´s s_____ something post here)

>Rodolfo: Im agree with working with tree pixels is hard to do something original who keeps the legibility, and the work done of your student is not similar to mine. The "e" have 1 pixel more than mine ;), but i think that im done the best
(right, the best means keeps the legibility)design with three pixels...and you`re right cause i didnt think very hard using the ugly word..

>Magenta:I did "Minoriry" before, so that´s all.
I consider that to accusing you, cause is arrogant to pretend that im the only designer who made the most beauty 3 pixels high bitmap font ever :)

-There´s a fact if that if someone did similar font designs somewere before discover this site or other work, are pure coincidence so i think that is too hard too consider that something is original, exept for the quatity of the design.(?)
Cheers.

spiral's picture

miguel, i'm not understanding. you were the one to bring up the concept of stealing (if you did mean to post the image that joe posted), and then you back away from it, saying it's a terrible word and doesn't apply to the situation. so why bring it up in the first place? accusations like this should not be made lightly, even if it's in the spirit of "discussion"...

Miguel Hernandez's picture

Ok. The point speaking about steal is :There´s a fact if that if someone did similar font designs somewere before discover this site, and then put here with a suspect similarity. For the first time that i saw magenta`s absolute i feel disapointed.. understand? i never back away any idea before someone prove it! ;)

rcapeto's picture

Miguel:
> Rodolfo: Im agree with working with three pixels
> is hard to do something original who keeps the legibility,
> and the work done of your student is not similar to mine.
> The "e" have 1 pixel more than mine ;),

Yes, of course. Like the quality of your work, that's not
in dispute. His was a 4-pixel design (huge!). But on the
other hand ... he did a lower-case! ;)

I wasn't saying, BTW, that his work was similar to yours,
I only mentioned that particular 'E' structure to show
that coincidences do exist.

fluffy's picture

I don't think it's even possible to do a complete lowercase in only 3 pixels.

FWIW, MANY years ago (like, 1996) I did a 3x4 pixel font for some old DOS software of mine (which had a complete symbol set and a lowercase and so on). I might actually still have it around somewhere, too. I don't want to get into a "I did it first" battle though. :P

fluffy's picture

I found it, and it was indeed 3x4 (not counting the 1-pixel intra-character spacing, which some characters make use of for descenders etc.), dated November 4, 1996. The file format I used back then (my own custom bitmap font editor) was pretty simple so I was able to convert it pretty easily.

Don't mind the first few columns of characters; they're IBM extended ASCII stuff (smileyfaces and arrows and so on). They made sense at the time. :)

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Miguel Hernandez's picture

Sorry, is an absolute mess.

rcapeto's picture

Magenta, if you get rid of the grey gridlines
and organize your characters in a normal
horizontal order, with some space between
lines, it will be easier to see something.

At least I was able to decode "Hello" there.
;)

fluffy's picture

Yeah. That was just the most convenient way to deal with it in the format that I had it stored in. Also, it was harder to read without the guidelines. It's not intended to be a good font, anyway, it's just to show a font I did back in 1996. :)

I don't want to spend more time dredging it up than absolutely necessary, I just wanted to show that these ideas weren't exactly "new" (and I know that even in 1996 I wasn't the first to do them, since when I showed it to friends, a couple of them said, "Yeah, I've done something like that too").

It seems to be a very common thing for people to do when bored. :)

Ooh, now this other font I did in 1996 (which I called 'futura' though I know that name's already taken) actually looks pretty good. I think I'll do a proper job of organizing it for a post here...

fluffy's picture

Here we go, a proper image of it.

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hrant's picture

Miguel, it looks *nothing* like what you've done.
Please let other people do good work too.

hhp

plubird's picture

Sorry I dont like both. I want to read it but it is very hard. I need my eyes! Yes it is a funny font but where will you use it?

But thats just a Critique... ;-)

Greets Jens

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