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What happened to the pop quiz thread?

So, here’s a new one…

Start off by getting the year and country of origin of this masthead:

masthead

(That’s not the whole masthead BTW — more can be revealed if necessary)

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Ireland.

Kenn Munk's picture
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The trees have legs.

So do I get to pick the next one?
I really should be working…

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»The trees have legs
Or maybe the people just have branches?

»So do I get to pick the next one?
Yes

»I really should be working…
You don’t want to be doing that…no telling where it might lead.

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I’ll probably add something tonight.

Tonight CET that is.

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Ok, what’s wrong here?
signlang

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Well, for starters it doesn’t have an a-circle. Is it just standard ASL?

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Oh.
That was too easy then.
It says “Danish Sign language” at the top but lacks the Danish special characters.

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OK, country and year, and for added points, artist:

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Stumped?

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Germany, 1815?

Just going back to “The Graphic” for a moment, I was over at Ole Kvern’s place today, and discovered that he had a framed front page of it to the side of his entryway.

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A second answer to the sign alphabet one… If it is the ASL alphabet (whether the Danes really use the same one or not), then someone forgot to put in the dotted motion line indicating that Z is not just a pointing finger but a finger drawing a Z in the air.

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Close

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the postcard with the sign language alphabet was sold to me by a guy pretending to be deaf, being a type-geek I pretended not to notice the characters missing.

John, I was going to say German too, but it’s in English so I go for

England, early 1900s

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England 1851?





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Kenn’s the closest so far. BTW the artist has a well-known font named after him.

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Johnston?

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And I thought the Type ID Pop Quiz was tough… sheesh!

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This one’s a killer…
If it’s not Johnston, I’ll try the next obvious choice: Gill?

Is it part of the number ‘2’ that’s showing after 19?

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America, 1922.

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Nathan, very very close. Right on the country, super close on the year. Not Johnson, not Gill.

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Oswald Cooper, America, 1923

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Superstar!

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England, 1898?

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If you look at his lettering work, and maybe I’m generalizing, but it all seems to be heavily weighted and friendly.

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I’ll post a new quiz tomorrow. I’ve got to find something from the archives.

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I’m pretty sure that’s because for advertising, heavy display type was in vogue during that time period. Gotta love the Coop.

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Here we go. What is it?

clue number one

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The Gutenberg Bible?

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Speaks good English for a German.

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John —> Nope.

Gerald —> Haha! Good eyes!

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What on that image should really SHOUT that it isn’t Gutenberg? (Just a side question while you are madly searching.)

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The Gutenberg Bible was in Latin, and didn’t have any Roman text mixed with the blackletter.

The typography looks plausible to be the 1611 King James Bible, though I’ve never seen a sample, so I don’t know. It’s hard for me to tell from the small size, but the Roman font and the wording both seem a little late to be from the early 1500s (first English bibles start around 1526). I’m thinking somewhere between 1570 and 1800.

But must get back to work….

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A JPEG?

Kidding… :-)

While I have no basis for the guess, other than knowing it’s not the Gutenberg from the English, etc. I would guess the same as Thomas.

However, my guess would be “The King James Bible?” and not the much more dedcutive and insightful version above. I’ve now exhausted my Bibles Throughout History knowledge.

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Thomas is correct! Your go!

I’d personally love to know the types that were used. Does anyone know who cast the lead for the King James Bible of 1611?

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Closer — right country, but a little older than your guess.

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Thomas asked me to post another quiz for him.

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In what book did the first colophon appear?

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A wild guess…Fust and Sch

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Rich, Right-O!! Now it’s your Go!

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Rich, I’ve got my Avant Garde ligature specimens at the ready, so hit me with your best shot.

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Oh, is that how this works?

OK

Name the full lineage of ownership of the Kelmscott Albion Press No 6551

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1891-94: Hopkinson & Cope
1894-96: William Morris
1896-1924: Ashbee’s Essex House Press, Old Bourne Press, Pear Tree Press
1924-61: Bertha and Frederic Goudy
1961-2001: Elizabeth and Ben Lieberman
Currently: Jethro K. Lieberman

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Wow, I didn’t think anyone knew my cousin has the Kelmscott-Goudy press. It is a very cool piece of equipment. Lots of type luminaries, including Hermann Zapf have, I believe, printed samples on it, as I did as a teenager long years ago.

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> 1891-94: Hopkinson & Cope > 1894-96: William Morris > 1896-1924: Ashbee’s Essex House Press, Old Bourne Press, Pear Tree > Press > 1924-61: Bertha and Frederic Goudy > 1961-2001: Elizabeth and Ben Lieberman > Currently: Jethro K. Lieberman >

Missing a few owners in there still :^)

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>Missing a few owners in there still :^)

Darn it. :-/

>as I did as a teenager long years ago.

You can officially consider me jealous, William.

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OK, only two other owners…

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1764?

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I suppose I could go to the library, since no one else seems to know this either.

Does Ashbee’s wierd communal guild count as something different than Essex House? And when he went bankrupt, did the bank repo the press?

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It’s not well known and only documented in a few places. hint: Both were between Goudy and Lieberman and during the late 1920s Goudy only had the press for a couple years.

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I didn’t even know the full list… there were even more owners than I thought. I will post the full list in a bit.

Nathan had it mostly correct. I pass the quizmaster hat to him…

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The life and times of Albion 6551
1891-94: Hopkinson & Cope
1894-96: William Morris
1896-1913: Ashbee’s Essex House Press,
1913-20 Washington Herbert Broome- Old Bourne Press
1920: Miss Nellie Platt (Broomes Secretary)
1920-24: James Guthrie -Pear Tree Press
1924-25: Bertha and Frederic Goudy -Village Press
1925-28: Spencer Kellogg -Aries Press
1928-32 (Storage)
1932-1961 Merbert Cary -Press of the Woolly Whale
1961-2001: Elizabeth and Ben Lieberman
Currently: Jethro K. Lieberman

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Well, that was a pretty ignoble win :-/ And I just barely escaped returning all my overdue material to the Chicago Libraries in order to check out The Liberty Bell on the Kelmscott Goudy Press.

I find that I’m horrifying at coming up with quizzes, but here’s my offering. Name the artist, publication, and date.