Wayfinding/wayshowing

millamu
25.Oct.2007 2.39am
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I´m looking for a typeface that is suitable for a wayfinding-system for
a hospital... After a lot of searching for the perfect typeface, I´m still not saticfied, and I just need some input or inspiration...any tips or good advices? :)



Renko
25.Oct.2007 2.58am
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The first which comes to mind would be FF Info, which was created for this special use.


millamu
25.Oct.2007 3.07am
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This one is already one of the typefaces I´m concidering, but thanks for
fast feedback!


Renko
25.Oct.2007 4.47am
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Okay, welcome, Camilla. So let’s stop that wild guessing and please tell which ones you have had already in mind and what exactly you like or dislike by them … or what you prefer in your special typeface.

In other cases it would probably be just a wild shooting in the dark. And you could get hit by a ricochet of a list of hundreds of fonts. Or none.


russellm
25.Oct.2007 5.52am
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FF Info is great from a sign making point of view - Slightly rounded corners really speed up the plotting and weeding of vinyl letters.

... and it looks good too.

R


James Puckett
25.Oct.2007 6.11am
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Mårten Thavenius’ Aptifer is a pretty awesome new typeface I’ve been looking at a lot lately, and quite appropriate for this use.


William Berkson
25.Oct.2007 6.31am
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Frutiger is often used for wayfinding, and is one of the great sans faces of all time.

Frutiger is probably as close to ’perfect’ as you are going to find, but I’m not sure if you want perfect. In a hospital you don’t usually have to look at signs from long distances, so I would think that the mood or look you want to create is most important. Therefore, you have a very wide range of fonts that are possible.

For example, Bliss is a warmer sans than Frutiger, and that might be a nice lift of mood in a Hospital.


auricfuzz
25.Oct.2007 6.43am
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Arrival and Clearview Text are both made for signage, albeit both for long-distance viewing (airports and highway signs).

EDIT; More Arrival info here and related Clearview info here.


writingdesigning
25.Oct.2007 8.29am
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“In a hospital you don’t usually have to look at signs from long distances...”

It could also depend on the particular hospital, and also the wayfinding model.

We’re working on signage for a hospital where corridors run for about a 100mtrs from main nodes (where directories are placed). Facility pointers need to be readable from at least about half that distance. For that project, by the way, Myriad has worked quite well.


millamu
25.Oct.2007 8.49am
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Yes, Renko, of course :)... At this point I am testing these fonts: Fago, Vektora, Transit, Frutiger, Scala Sans, and Maurea. I want to find a typeface that is clear, readable, legible and solid, that express effectiveness and that the site is «modern» and offer the best medical treatment. At the same time I´m looking for a human, friendly quality in the tyeface, and I want it to have an own «identity» (sorry, my English is not the best, but I want it to stand out a bit from the well known typefaces, Frutiger, etc, but still have that quality that it is effective in a wayshowing-system). Heh,well, I want all! And I want it to have a touch of elegance, that might give the patients and visitors less feeling of beeing in an institution. Ok, these are my thoughts and wishes, if you know a perfect of suitable typeface, please tell.

And all you others: thank you for the tips. I´m checking them out now, and I´m excited!


jlapiak
25.Oct.2007 9.12am
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Here’s a hint: Do a warp perspective on a text block as if you’re looking at the typeface from an acute angle. The more legible and readable it is, the better.


Nick Cooke
25.Oct.2007 9.21am
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Chevin may fit the bill.

Nick Cooke


tomasu
25.Oct.2007 12.41pm
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A push for my ex-instructor: Arrival


terminaldesign
25.Oct.2007 12.58pm
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ClearviewHwy was designed for roadway applications.

ClearviewText was designed for text and works for signage.

ClearviewADA was developed specifically for pedestrian signage and conforms to ADA guidelines.

ClearviewADA
ClearviewText


Renko
25.Oct.2007 3.47pm
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Mille grazie, Camilla. Now we are talking. You already have a lot of excellent suggestions. Chevin is so wonderful!

If you haven’t found the right choice by now, I may add one of my actual favourites: Sansa, Parry or Monitor or some others from the excellent Fred Smeijers Collection.


SuperUltraFabulous
25.Oct.2007 10.06pm
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Hi there:

Does the hospital have an existing identity? Your choice needs to fit in with existing graphics otherwise it may cause confusion and convey a “hodge podge” unprofessional quality. This can trickle down into how people perceive the hospital.

Myriad and Frutiger are tried and true for the purpose, but hardly groundbreaking (I like Myriad better). Maurea is lovely. Scala Sans is excellent for way-finding, but if not used correctly can be industrial and clinical- use warm colors and graphics. Look at Metro.net as an example.

Arrival does not have condensed weights yet.
Chevin may be too trendy if not used correctly for a hospital- it’s nice tho. Clearview is just not attractive and too masculine for my taste- a Meta Highway? However, it does have a complement of extensive weights and styles.

And speaking of Meta- if you combine Meta with Frutiger you get AXIS by Akira Kobayashi... it will cost you a pretty penny though, but its better looking than Clearview or Meta and fresher than Frutiger or Myriad. It is expressly designed for way-finding. I know- its an offbeat choice.
http://www.typeproject.com/index.html

Others to look at are:
Locator by Process Type
Whitney by Hoefler and Frere Jones
All of Lucas de Groot’s products
www.lucasfonts.com
All of Dalton Maag’s products
www.daltonmaag.com/browse/fonts/dama/
Subtil- probably unreleased, but you could enquire about it
http://www.tdc.org/news/2007Results/Subtil.html

Hope I helped,

Mike Diaz :-)


SuperUltraFabulous
25.Oct.2007 10.11pm
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PS... You can download a free trial of AXIS from TypeProject.

http://www.typeproject.com/product/download.html

Use Google Language Tools to help you navigate the site.

Mikey :-)


J Weltin
26.Oct.2007 2.41am
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Sorry for self-promoting, but you might want to check Agilita. It even comes with two sets of arrows for each weight.


millamu
26.Oct.2007 6.18am
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Thank you all, for good tips, advice, and for taking the time to help!
I´m very grateful, I´ve received some really good tips here, I especially
found the Sansa typeface quite suiteble for my project, thanks Renko! And the
AXIS is great too,it was almost exciting to download it from a japanese web-site,
hehe thank god for google translate!

I also like the softness and friendlyness in Chevin, but I´m not quite sure, maybe its too friendly, the Sansa has a freindly apperance, but it gives me more the feeling of representing something professional, in control and «modern»/new. A hospital that offers the best and newes form of treatment using new technology, and that is well organized. The AXIS might be a bit more time-less than Sansa, but with many of the same qualities...


millamu
26.Oct.2007 6.21am
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And it was a good idea to do a warp perspective on a text block, to check legibility and readability, very functional:)

camilla


dberlow
26.Oct.2007 9.16am
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Skia, is a bit friendlier, and Optima is a traditional choice for this application.

http://www.fonthaus.com/
And
http://www.fonts.com/
Repectively.

Cheers!


Stephen Coles
26.Oct.2007 12.41pm
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SuperUltraFabulous
26.Oct.2007 2.05pm
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ryanholmes
26.Oct.2007 2.28pm
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Honestly now—how many MORE humanist sans does the world need? Have we not reached the saturation point? Is there some design application unknown to me where Frutiger or Meta or Interstate or Syntax et al. could NOT get the job done?

I don’t dispute that many of these fonts are nice, but are they necessary? And are they all that creative? Or has this branch of typography plateaued into the purely derivative and repetitive?

The new sans Axis looks nice, I hope he sells a million licenses.


Stephen Coles
26.Oct.2007 2.42pm
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> Or has this branch of typography plateaued into the purely derivative and repetitive? The new sans Axis looks nice, I hope he sells a million licenses.

I think you answered your own question.


SuperUltraFabulous
26.Oct.2007 2.44pm
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Massimo is that you?


William Berkson
26.Oct.2007 5.00pm
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There is something wonderful about Axis, but I can’t figure out what it is. I guess that’s a tribute.


Quincunx
28.Oct.2007 10.22am
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A bit less obvious, but I think Unger’s Vesta will probably work for wayfinding.


writingdesigning
28.Oct.2007 10.57am
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Isn’t Vesta the University of Reading house font?

I think there’s an online case study of their signage which could be a useful visual reference if Vesta is an option here.


dan_reynolds
28.Oct.2007 11.07am
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>Isn’t Vesta the University of Reading house font?

Yes, along with Swift. But the new signs are all set in Arrival.

I second Stephen’s mentioning of Vialog.


Quincunx
28.Oct.2007 2.24pm
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Ah, I didn’t know that Reading used Vesta. I knew it was being used somewhere, but not where. I like its contrast between thick and thins, which makes it very lively. More so than some of the other examples mentioned here.


typofoto
29.Oct.2007 4.03am
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Sorry to be late to the thread. I’m itching to use ff Milo and ff Zwo for wayfinding. I think they would both be very suitable. Good range of weights, nice, open shapes, good numerals, and compact.


dan_reynolds
29.Oct.2007 4.28am
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Reading doesn’t use Vesta for signage, only for CI and general things. The University uses Arrival for all signs, at least all new signs. Older ones seem to be made in whatever fonts were at hand.


joeclark
29.Oct.2007 5.01am
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I really think you’re handling this in exactly the wrong way. You have to develop a wayfinding system first rather than picking a font first. And I really think you’re going by personal preferences, which are fine and dandy but irrelevant, rather than actual performance.


Joe Clark
http://joeclark.org/


writingdesigning
29.Oct.2007 8.24am
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“You have to develop a wayfinding system first..”

Sure. Which is what more than one post suggested earlier on.

After that the thread sort of shifted to something like: what’s your favourite typeface that can be used for wayfinding projects? Which is fun too :)


Quincunx
29.Oct.2007 10.53am
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It didn’t shift, actually. The starting question was: “I’m looking for a typeface that is suitable for a wayfinding-system for a hospital”.


writingdesigning
29.Oct.2007 11.02am
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True. I meant shift in the sense that it wasn’t any more about addressing a particular signage project but rather a broader context of typefaces for signage.


jandorp
29.Oct.2007 6.20pm
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All of Lucas de Groot’s products

Not all of them; Punten Extremo or JesusLovesYou may make patients, or their relatives, feel uneasy. ;-)
But the text fonts are all very well suited for signage.
Both TheSans and Corpid now have semi-condensed versions in the making, which are both space-saving and very legible.
Also, they have weights that have been conceived for combinations of back-lit (lightboxes) and front-lit signage.


Quincunx
29.Oct.2007 6.36pm
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Arun: Yeah, that seems to be true. Then again, maybe the topicstarter can make a list of the suggestions made here, and go from there. You need to know what exists before you can make a choice. ;)


SuperUltraFabulous
29.Oct.2007 7.20pm
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jandorp> bwahahahahahahah!!! Yes, of course, JesusLovesYou and the others, would not look like something you would want to stare at while your twiddling your thumbs in the maternity waiting room.

Mikey :-)