Can’t imagine that much of a widespread need, but well, why not?...

Wonder what made them come up with it?

I think that this is a great definition, all anatomies should be laid out in any profession. Also, this is a great example of the evolution of type over the years, and the progression of type as we know it.

A ‘bridge’? In German, it’s ‘Steg’.

I quite agree with you Wesley.

Just out of curiosity, what does it take for a new definition to become part of a typographic lexicon?

Is it enough if a lot of people just pick up a new word and use it, or is there a more formal process?

I think these guys decide the new typographic terminology.

New Type Terminology and Definitions Board of Directors

It’s apparently been a while since that last extraordinary session ;)

Write an RFC.

That would be “Nuestra Señora del Pilar” in Spanish.

“Sprue” would seem to be more appropriate to me.

“Manka’ntok” in the dialect of my hometown.

> It’s apparently been a while since that last extraordinary session

Naw, its just that to be on that Board, you have to wear ugly 70s clothing.

Since it’s an artifact of stencil limitations, isn’t it called a connector or bridge? Stencil fonts are just affectations, like rough typewriter fonts.

No, not completely or only affectations, durability is a, or the quality of stencil type, that frequent relates to disasters.
“Connector” sounds good to me.
By the way “manka’ntok” (the made-up that comes from the dialect of my hometown) means “ne manca un pezzo,” literally “a piece is missing.”

Here is a group picture of the last New Type Terminology and Definitions Board of Directors, you can see the pylons at the back :

Outside of typographic context, in architecture and airplane construction for example, a “pylon” is a kind of projecting strut or stick-shaped structure used for mounting components like engines, equipment nacelles, pods, bridge sections, girders.

The only sense I can think of in which that applies to a lettering stencil is *projection* into letter and glyph forms. Other than that these so-called “pylons” don’t have anything mounted on their ends.

Since it’s an artifact of stencil limitations, isn’t it called a connector or bridge?

On the stencil itself, I would call those parts “connectors” or “bridges”, since they connect the surrounding material together and act as a kind of land bridge.

For the artwork—-the lettering produced by a stencil—-I call the blank areas “gaps”. Just common sense really. Going on a “gapping spree” is the easiest way to turn an ordinary font into a textured font ;^)

j a m e s

“Here is a group picture of the last New Type Terminology and Definitions Board of Directors”

:-)

Good one, Alessandro!

ChrisL

A term for the area between letter bits in stencil type fonts

I hope I don’t sound awfully naive, but isn’t that space a gap rather than a structure? It’s an absence, not a presence.

This is a pylon. :-)

The Board of Directors is apparently working on some secret experiments on the pylon :

You guys should stop kidding around. This is serious and we need to make sure we get it right. Type Terminologists of the future are counting on us.

Type Terminologists of the future
Them?

Uncanny resemblance:-)

ChrisL

+1 all around

Could someone call an actual stencil maker and ask them what the shop word for the ol’ gappy is?

I just talked on the phone with the Head of the Board of Directors, he’s evaluating the effect of temper on his pylon :

I think his pylon is about to be frozen! :-)

ChrisL

We’re all gonna get kicked out of here!

Either that, or a moderator who shall remain nameless will pop in here and tell us that we are all CRAZY! :-)

Moi? Yeah, you’re all crazy. What was the original question again?

I actually did contact a stencil maker. Bridge is what they call it. Connector is a logical second option. I don’t think it’s necessary to invent a new, separate term for the same thing in a digital stencil font. One thing maybe worth differentiating: real, functional bridges versus fake, digital ones.

Note: Silkscreening is essentially a stencil technique; anything including thin threads or hair can act as bridges, so it’s possible to make stencils that don’t look like stencils. I’ve used long hairs as bridges on stencils for house numbers where the letters would be too ambiguous and unreadable with fat paper bridges. “Invisible bridge”..... Add it to the wiki. ;)

The question was, I think, is there a real need for a pylon ?

Actually the question was who takes a call on things like these - whether it should be pylon or something else.

’Need to be more careful with questions like that in future :)

We’re all gonna get kicked out of here!
Okay, back to business! Taking the question to the next level: How do you call the complementary stencil parts which are sometimes used to fill the bridges in a second step?
Thomas Maier showed this fascinating picture in his presentation on stencils at this year’s ATypI:

Floods?

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Ever since I chose to block pop-ups, my toaster’s stopped working.

Moi? Yeah, you’re all crazy.

Nah, not you, Miss Tiff. I meant Yves... He did that in a couple of threads; it was pretty funny.

I actually did contact a stencil maker. Bridge is what they call it. Connector is a logical second option. I don’t think it’s necessary to invent a new, separate term for the same thing in a digital stencil font.

Cool beans, Carl. Good to know.

Ceci n’est pas un pipe, er, une pylône.

“I meant Yves... He did that in a couple of threads;”

I remember that, Ricardo. I think I was the culprit the last time, too :-)

ChrisL

Where is that, Chris, I wanna read it :-)

Alessandro,

I have to figure out how to search for it. It was a bunch of bad puns as usual but I can’t remember good key words!

ChrisL

“I actually did contact a stencil maker. Bridge is what they call it.”

Correctomundo...and it connects to an island. I’m not sure what, besides lack of research or need for publicity, would cause someone to invent a new name.

Cheers!

Should we tell him?

Haley, do you mean tell FWIS?

You are all Crazy!

Ah!! That felt great. This does seem like a pretty silly thread. But that’s okay.

I think Pylon is a silly term to use. I think the plain spoken “gaps” is where it’s at.

There’s more : http://www.ministryoftype.co.uk/words/pylons/
Needs to be pylonated : http://www.thisisapylon.com/images/type_anatomy.png

It’s a bridge.

Period.

You are welcome.

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Depends on your point of view. It does look like a bridge, but it also looks like a gap.

This is largely a semantic debate, with no end.

Saying “period” adds no merit to “bridge”.

It’s a bridge!

It’s a gap!

Bridge!

Gap!

Like it matters. I don’t think it does.

Peace. Tolerance, etc. Why can’t we have both?

j a m e s

Rationale for not calling it a bridge: a bridge has rails along the edges to help prevent people and vehicles from veering off the edge. How many stencil types have visible rails along the edges of their “bridges”. Probably none.

“Gap” is a simpler analogy with the advantage of no rails and ease of spelling.

j a m e s

It’s a bridge from the negative side, and a gap from the positive side. (Or is that backwards?) Not negative as in “Oo, that’s bad,” but in the white-space sense.

On the actual stencil that is a physical object, calling it a bridge makes perfect sense. On the stenciled letter, it makes perfect sense to call it a gap.

However which way you cut it, it still smells like cheeze.

On the actual stencil that is a physical object, calling it a bridge makes perfect sense. On the stenciled letter, it makes perfect sense to call it a gap.

Yep-yep-yep. I distinguished the two different cases earlier.

Have some cheese everybody! Cheese smells nice ;^)

j a m e s

“Like it matters.”

The extreme triviality of this whole “pylon” definition makes it an amusing discussion. It reminds me of Rich Hall back in the ’80s when he created the term “sniglet”—creating silly words to describe unlabeled things. There was even a sniglet to describe the crust that builds on the rim of ketchup bottles. (Although true sniglets are newly created words and pylon, connector, bridge, gap are not.)

Let’s see though, in twenty plus years of working with type I’ve needed a label for this thing how many times? None! Never! But then again this is a discussion that someone has plastered all over the internet about nothing—literally nothing. Seinfeld got famous with a TV comedy show about nothing. Maybe nothing is just funny by nature.

Everyone say CHEESE!

I believe Haley posted the thread as an amusing topic but their could be a gap in my thinking so we might wait and cross that bridge when we come to it—besides, pyling on is a 15 yard penalty.

ChrisL

Rationale for not calling it a bridge: a bridge has rails along the edges

That’s why we don’t call it a ‘Brücke’ (bridge) but a ‘Steg’, i.e. a bridge without rails. In English, that would be a catwalk? Or a pontoon?

Additionally, a Steg doesn’t necessarily connect to something (a bridge would). Have a look at the ‘N’ from the sample at the very top: There’s no island to be connected. Now go and see these ‘Stege’: [1], [2] and especially [3], [4] – a Steg doesn’t even presuppose the existence of mainland!

For those who prefer terms that are borrowed from human anatomy (like eye, ear, leg, shoulder, arm etc.): What about ‘ligament’? The LEO dictionary explicitly lists it as a potential translation of ‘Steg’, as “in a stencil [tech.]”!

That cheese looks pretty good!

ChrisL

That cheese looks pretty good!

Yeah, but bit by bit it starts to smell funny, you betcha!
;°)

James.

There was meant to be a smigion of humour in that period.

It doesn’t really matter what you call them, until you go to someone who actually makes stencils, or works with CADCAM routeriing. Then you’ll you may have to call it a bridge in order to be understood and not draw quizzical looks ( >:¬) ). The little bits of the cutting path you leave uncut so that the letters don’t go flying all over the place are called bridges, because they join parts of a whole shape that are not physically connected. At least that’s been my experience.

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Yeah that’s cool Russell. I didn’t mean nuthin’ debunking your logic.
I like a larf :^)

Chris,

Tee-hee-hee!

Your larfy index rating is high. I’m getting normal readings = )

j a m e s

Normal is something I am not familiar with :-)

ChrisL

Me neither : )

Mew-mew!

j i m m y  c a t

Just because it needed to be cleared up:

I was on vacation, so I missed most of this thread... and that makes me sad.

Now the image/idea of stencil-fixing stencils is really fun. That seems like a rich area for invention. The first stencil can be half of the letter, or just bits, with any missing bits filled in. Cryptic possibilities, or fun multicolored lettering. For that matter, one stencil could be robots or traffic cones, and the other can fill in the rest, making letters....

That reminds me of things printed in a jumble of red and blue, and red glasses reveal the hidden message.

And that reminds me of watching Creature from the Black Lagoon in 3-D recently.

And that reminds me of the cheese-flavored popcorn we ate.....

You know the rest.

Isthmus: ” a narrow strip of land that is bordered on two sides by water and connects two larger land masses.”

or I am sure Chris may come up with a few puns worthy of this word

That brings to mind The Isthmus of Corinth, that most excruciating piece of geography joining the Peloponnesus to mainland Greece.

Corinth is my favorite ancient Greek city. Yeah buddaye!

Isthmus comes from the ancient Greek word for “neck” :^) funny about that.

j a m e s

Isthmus be your lucky day.

isthmus be da place where da cornballs come ta play!

ChrisL

It is the Isthmus season

Just so you all know, I come here for the elevated level of intellectual discourse and advanced smartitude.

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LOL!!!

ChrisL

Oh, we need a little isthmus, right this very minute!