Yeah, the Cmnd+Backslash is a great, easy way to speed up bulleted and numbered lists. Hmmm… Other tips… A lot of them are covered here, I must say. My biggest time savers are key commands, such as (at a PC now, have to do this from memory) Cmnd+Option+Shift+< or > and Cmnd+Shift+< or > to size type quickly. Can’t think of any others oﬀ the top of my head. For general usability, I change the color of my Quark guides to paler, subtler versions of the garish and distracting defaults. It’s surprising how much nicer it is. [EDIT] Oh, I just thought of another (which is probably more common): use the enter/ return key on the number keypad to insert the equivalent of a page break, that will kick the next text element to the next column/text box (depending on what the situation is). Shift + numeric keypad return forces it to the next box, overriding any columns, if I’m not mistaken. — I believe the ‘ﬂush zone’ is an area that forces the last line in a justiﬁed paragraph to justify ﬂush with the right side when it gets inside of a certain zone. I think. I’ve never used it. That would probably explain why setting it to zero doesn’t seem to have much eﬀect.</font>
Em — The ﬂush zone is exactly as Chris says. The value you enter for ﬂush zone will determine when the H&J engine will stretch the last line of a justiﬁed paragraph. A setting of zero means that it will never force justify the last line. Some typographers prefer that if a last line gets close to the full measure, it should go ahead and be set full justiﬁed. If you want to see this eﬀect, set your ﬂush zone to something fairly large, like 25% of your column width. Then apply to some text. If you have a paragraph with a last line at least 75% of the measure, you’ll see that it gets stretched out to full justify. A more realistic range for an appropriate ﬂush zone setting is on the order of a few points, if at all. I personally never use it. — K.
I must say I never allow Break Capitalized Words and do it manually only when it’s really necessary. I’d rather be doing it myself than noticing afterwards the machine did it for me in an unacceptable place. 2-letter breaks make a tiny bit more sense in Dutch, but the same goes here: only manually. Furthermore I’ve always been very queasy about allowing character space: it never fails to annoy me even in as little as 1%. Or am I imagining things?
> I’m working in Quark 4.1. BTW Use InDesign. Three words: Adobe Paragraph Composer.
I started to prepare an answer here, but I am so glad to see Kent wrote one instead. I concur on all points, and add only that if there is any way you can do the job in InDesign, do it. InD’s spacing engine is much more advanced and the options more complete. Remember too that Hyphenation is as important as Justiﬁcation in that they are interrelated. One aﬀects the results of the other. Also, highlight Kent’s statements where he says that H&J settings will vary depending on line measure, leading and typeface. The only way to get optimum settings is by testing various parameters and checking the results. Print lots of test pages before you settle on a standard. Each typesetting scenario is unique.
> don’t use Quark’s defaults Smartest advice in this whole thread. I’ve always wondered: does anybody here ever use the “Flush Zone” or -gasp- “Single Word Justify”. I’d really like to know. I’m utterly convinced they put that in there just to scare the $h!t out of any self-respecting typographer/ graphic designer… …or maybe that was a special request by David Carson?
To me, Quark’s defaults are proof, among other things, that the company does not value typography as a priority.
I brought some work home this weekend I see you’ve taken Nick’s guidelines to heart. Welcome to the type nerd club.
The nerd club, hmmm. Do we have a secret handshake? It hasn’t been formally agreed upon, but I nominate a simple hug, as prompted by Peter Bruhn.
Heh, funny to read Erik’s guidelines. Picked up the 80% wordspace during my month at Meta. And the increased tracking at small sizes.
C’mon Dan, we’re talking realistic working situations here. This is an easy way out. If I did that for every magazine and newsletter I had to design my output would be halved. A major part of our job is ﬁnding solutions to speciﬁc problems, isn’t it?
Oh that Jon Coltz! He tickles my funny bone!!
Tho I aknowledge Mr. Slimbach’s superior type design skills I must admit most of his designs are just too slick for my taste. Make no mistake: he’s brilliant, but it’s not my cup of tea.
Oops, James. You missed Kent’s ﬁrst post: “The J settings will vary depending upon the line measure…”
“(Heck, even among Carter’s fonts, Miller and Galliard have it, but Fenway does not.)” As far as I know, Font Bureau’s in-house method checks every possible lower-lowercase, upper-uppercase, and upper-lowercase pair for kerning.
Isn’t an em-space the standard indent for a new paragraph in “classic” typography?
Chorus goes something like: “A town called Alice, ooh ooh yea-eah” (with lots of guitars and a poppy beat).
Allright allright, I misheard… If our lead singer knew about this, he’d ﬁre me on the spot! Misquoting The Jam… argh!
Nah, I’ll stick to what I do best and provide the poppy beat (and maybe some “oo-oo-oohs”)
I can't say I've read every word of this LOOOONNNNNNGGG thread (and I can't figure out how it jumped to the top of the forum when the last post was over 2 years old but I will add that I have three H&J settings in Quark, tight, normal and loose. I find that depending on the typeface and its own defaults this is useful. Also it's a good way to either pick up a straggling word at the end of a paragraph (often mistakenly called a widow) or conversely to spread the paragraph out to fill out the last line.
TIght: min 70%, Opt. 85%, Max 100%
Regular: Min 75% Opt 100% Max 120%
Loose: Min 85%, Opt 105%, Max 125%
In all cases smallest word 5, minimum before hyph 3, min after 3, 2 hyphens in a row.
How about someone posting a screen shot or the settings that you use in InDesign?
I would love that…
I'm still using their defaults as I'm relatively new to InDy. I'd also appreciate some guidance on this from people who are more familiar with the program. I also can't figure out kerning/tracking and why adobe does in increments of 10 what Quark more sensibly does in increments of 1.
>I can’t figure out how it jumped to the top of the forum when the last post was over 2 years old
Typophile got spammed and somebody has dragged the perpetrator out and killed him (or at least removed his posts)
Thank you anonymous moderator
>I also can’t figure out kerning/tracking and why adobe does in increments of 10 what Quark more sensibly does in increments of 1.
Illustrator (and presumably InD) uses 1/1000 em units while Quark uses 1/200 em and 1/20 em units
> (...) and I can’t figure out how it jumped to the top of the forum when the last post was over 2 years old
Spammer hit us and revived a bunch of really old posts in the process.