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Hi,
I'm working on a logo for a media (Advertising/Marketing) agency, the name is just initials with the letters s, e, s, I've been playing around with different concepts but keep on getting stuck because of the duplicate "s" letters.

The goal is to create more of an 'Identity' than a logo, I'm thinking of implementing [[http://www.fontshop.com/search/?q=vista%20sans|Vista Sans]] as the general brand typeface (a custom font would probably not be affordable).

Any suggestions or direction?

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BEP ... seems like there might be some interesting possibilities.

but we need some questions answered ... :D

playing around = what exactly?

does that mean sketching on paper ... or digital ideations — illustrator, or some other program?

do they want upper or lowercase? (i'd imagine upper).

any particular style they are trying to convey with the letterforms? Do they have a site we could see?
Any background on the company? What *exactly* do they do? Who are their competitors? Who are their customers?

what are they currently using for a logo? Where are they based? Do they want something monogram-ish? Do they want a graphic device or just the three letters?

are there periods between S.E.S. ?

kinda difficult to assist b/c Step 1 = research and we don't have any info. :)

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Hi Brian,
Thanks for your interest and response, here are some answers.

playing around = what exactly? does that mean sketching on paper ... or digital ideations — illustrator, or some other program?
Playground is in Adobe Illustrator of course, I didn't post drafts because I don't really like any of them.

do they want upper or lowercase? (i’d imagine upper).
They currently use both, I prefer lowercase rather which would give it more of a modern feel.

Do they have a site we could see?
Website doesn't show much, here is a [[http://www.sesmedia.com/|link]].

Any background on the company? What *exactly* do they do? Who are their competitors? Who are their customers?
This is the interesting part, I can't elaborate much because some of the details are confidential, but here are the basics. They are a young and fresh think tank group aspiring to reach the american orthodox jewish sector just like other ethnic marketing agencies (e.g. WingLatino, Vidal Partnership, Alma DDB, etc.) are already doing with the hispanic sector for example.

They offer insight to a sector that corporate america cannot reach with conventional media, they serve as a link to a community which is mostly secluded from mainstream america. That is also the reason why they virtually have no competition to date, because they are from within this marketplace and are therefore very exclusive in understanding the language and subtle nuances of this specific market.

what are they currently using for a logo? Where are they based?
See previous [[http://www.sesmedia.com/|link]] please.

Do they want something monogram-ish?
I don't think monogram style would be appropriate, I envision something 'corporate', a clean modern identity, I might be wrong but a monogram to me conveys a traditional printshop etc.

Do they want a graphic device or just the three letters? are there periods between S.E.S. ?
A graphic element would be cool if it could be incorporated, no periods between letters.

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Playground is in Adobe Illustrator of course, I didn’t post drafts because I don’t really like any of them.
Try sketching on paper. There's much more flexibility and wiggle room with pencil roughs than with beziers.

Another idea would be to focus on the graphic and use a nice clean readable typeface. Looking at the other companies you mentioned, they all seem to have very safe, clean logos.

- Lex

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That's exactly what I'm trying to establish, a safe clean logo, I'm now exploring with Vista Sans as mentioned.

Here are some rough samples, don't really like any of them.

Other ideas:

I like the last one that is a visual play about thinking 'out of the box', but its not corporate at all, it would be more appropriate for an architect e.g.

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I realy like what's going on in the first picture under "Other ideas". The black version seems to have a candelabre scattered around in the negative spaces. If a candelabre is relevant to this group of people I'd try to make something out of that.
It might sound like I'm drunk but I'm not.

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I prefer the first one in the second file under "Other ideas". It's the simplest of all, and therefore the best imho. I don't like the "media group" font though. It's too hard to read. Maybe go for a more common font here?

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I think both of the marks in the first under »Other ideas« are worth elaborate on. The one in the top of the last picture is similar to the logo of swedish design- & brand agency Essen...

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Thanks for your comments, I don't know why but somehow this project turned out to be far more challenging than anticipated, I'm thinking now that maybe an "ambigram" might be a clever solution, any ideas?

Here is another concept developed lately:

Please post your opinion and critic - it is greatly valued.

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Quick comment from the sidelines: Maybe it's just me, but the shapes in your "ambigram" notion seem reminiscent of Jeremy Tankard's "Blue Island" typeface. (Adobe has it, if aging memory serves.) That might be an avenue worth exploring, too. Or maybe not.

In any case, have fun & good luck.

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It is indeed based solely on the lowercase letter "e" from Blue Island, and the question is, does it work? Is it appropriate as a logo mark?

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of the ones posted I think the arrows has the most potential for an identity .. ideas in all direction ... refreshing.

the type you've put with it is too structured/rigid (not what idea people are meant to be) and certainly not friendly.

:)

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throw together ... started as a development on the basic shape method as about (the arrows.) Pathways to ideas that work ... breaking the circle(cycle.)

have fun!

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The 1:08 "ambigram" is interesting. Looks a little Polynesian or something to me.

Along those lines, could you do a more rectilinear version - I'm picturing something like a Greek [[http://images.google.com/images?q=greek%20key%20pattern&hl=en|key pattern]] that reverses direction. Maybe that'd be too architectural.

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The first one in the forth set and the newest one have the most potential in my eyes. I think perhaps the type in the gray box from Mar 30 is a bit something, It feels like the label for a mens clothing line to me. The letters are too sharp but it's a great idea.

Pauls idea above works fantastically.

honk if you love the status quo

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A final [[http://www.sesmedia.com/|ambigram]], old logo [[http://www.sesmedia.com/index1.htm|here]].