Could anyone tell me where Gill’s typeface ’Joanna’ has been seen before? Publications, advertisements, identities...anything would be helpful! Thanks!
The paperback edition of Gill’s An Essay on Typography, published Stateside by David R. Godine, is set in Joanna. The colophon even mentions that Joanna is one of Gill’s least used typefaces.
Joanna has been used a number of times with University Press books — I designed a book for the University of Illinois Press, set using Linotron 202 Joanna. I forget the title, but can look it up if you really need it.
In spite of that, Gill’s best text font available in major foundry form (i.e., Linotype, Monotype) was probably Pilgrim. I remember a lecture by Ron Costley where he remarked that none of Gill’s fonts was a very good for setting book-length text. Afterwards, I asked him about Pilgrim, & as I remember, he did allow it could be quite good for text, just damaged by the poor character fit in the Linotron 202 offering. With PostScript, that could be easily fixed.
Martha Stewart Living used it for a number of years, up until about 2002 when it was replaced by Archer. They did not use the Joanna italic, however, substituting Perpetua Italic (Felicity) instead.
I’ve used it for a redesign of an academic journal called Victorian Review. Both the client and their readers have been pleased with the font, which both enacts the restrained pomp of the Victorian period and yet allows for a comfortable read.
They set the commencement program at Emerson College in Joanna the year I graduated. It was a neat coincidence, since I have a sort of esoteric connection to it by name (it was designed by Eric Gill and René Hague).
I believe Fortress Press set several books in Joanna in the late 80’s, early 90’s. A Festschrift for Hans Frei stands out in my recollection; the italics in the footnotes were awfully tight.
The new(ish) Routledge Classic edition of CG Jung’s Four Archetypes: Mother, Rebirth, Spirit, Trickster uses it, but it’s not set as nicely as Jason’s example above.
Kent’s improvements on Joanna are very subtle; I admire his work here very much, especially the larger counter for the lower case a, which sets a tone of clarity and balance throughout all Whitman usage. For me, the Joanna italics, which seem to belong to another family, serve as an unwelcome speed-bump for the reader, though others love them for precisely that effect...also Joanna’s figures seem crude, whereas Whitman’s figures look right to the point of transparency.
All in all, the appearance of Whitman allowed me to get the Joanna roman look without the Joanna problems. Whitman seems so right it achieves transparency.
@mondoB
Nonsense :) Look at the example Jongseong posted – “Tromdomskonstens …”. The italics might be unusual, but come up beautifully and in an effective contrast to the text set in regular.
BTW. I love the richness of existing typefaces, i’m looking forward to new typefaces to come. I don’t look for an “ideal typeface fits all”-thing!
Look at the example Jongseong posted – “Tromdomskonstens …”. The italics might be unusual, but come up beautifully and in an effective contrast to the text set in regular.
Though, to be fair, it’s a bit of a loaded-dice example since those italicized words happen to be much longer than the roman words on the page.
From the sublimity of “Victorian Review,” I take you to what many consider the height of ridiculousity: ice fishing. Book designer Brian Donahue has submitted sample pages for a photo book on that subject, and he’s used Joanna as his text face:
I was not thrilled when I read his note before opening the file, for Joanna has never been a favorite of mine. I like the “idea” of Joanna, but have rarely seen it used well. But this book may help me appreciate the face. It is well suited to the matter. Its overall sharpness evokes that first great lungfull of cold winter air. Its “f” looks like something one could catch an eelpout on. I’m really happy with the choice.
My dislike of Joanna goes back to metal days. Few USA Monotype houses had mats for Joanna, so if one wanted Joanna, choice was limited. Los Angeles Typefounders set a lot of horrendous Joanna for me once. It appeared that sorts had been cast on wrong set widths, and the line composition had to be re-worked by hand.
& the first versions I saw for photo and digital also had major problems. So I just put it out of mind. “Victorian Review” and this ice fishing book suggest I should re-look at the face.
At times in the past when I wanted the “feel” of Joanna I used Chaparral. Whitman is, of course, a much better face for text setting.
powers
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25.Apr.2008 3.05pm
If i remember correctly Gill set a book of his in it. And it’s used by Obama currently.
25.Apr.2008 3.20pm
I think Obama uses Perpetua, not Joanna.
Travel + Leisure magazine used Joanna as their text face a few years ago (2005 or 2006)
David
25.Apr.2008 4.08pm
If i remember correctly Gill set a book of his in it.
here’s an example (a reprint, but remains faithful in type choice)
25.Apr.2008 4.16pm
In my job I run into it as the official typeface of the Department of Homeland Security. It’s on all of their branded materials.
25.Apr.2008 4.26pm
Think of your favorite Eric Gill - Homeland Security ironic comment.
25.Apr.2008 4.35pm
“Heckuva job, Gillie. Heckuva job.”
I love Joanna (so fresh and classic at once, so refined, such beautiful details)...it’s almost too nice for DHS.
Cheers from inside the beltway =)
25.Apr.2008 6.29pm
The Swedish Harry Potter books use Joanna.
25.Apr.2008 7.56pm
The paperback edition of Gill’s An Essay on Typography, published Stateside by David R. Godine, is set in Joanna. The colophon even mentions that Joanna is one of Gill’s least used typefaces.
25.Apr.2008 8.12pm
Joanna has been used a number of times with University Press books — I designed a book for the University of Illinois Press, set using Linotron 202 Joanna. I forget the title, but can look it up if you really need it.
In spite of that, Gill’s best text font available in major foundry form (i.e., Linotype, Monotype) was probably Pilgrim. I remember a lecture by Ron Costley where he remarked that none of Gill’s fonts was a very good for setting book-length text. Afterwards, I asked him about Pilgrim, & as I remember, he did allow it could be quite good for text, just damaged by the poor character fit in the Linotron 202 offering. With PostScript, that could be easily fixed.
FWIW
25.Apr.2008 8.36pm
Here is a corporate use:
http://www.altria.com/media/
26.Apr.2008 12.17am
Jcrew.com
26.Apr.2008 12.20am
well I can’t seem to find example online but for sure they do use it for signage.
27.Apr.2008 5.57am
Martha Stewart Living used it for a number of years, up until about 2002 when it was replaced by Archer. They did not use the Joanna italic, however, substituting Perpetua Italic (Felicity) instead.
— K.
27.Apr.2008 8.45am
“Heckuva job, Gillie. Heckuva job.”
HA!
—-
eeblet.com
27.Apr.2008 10.24am
Here we are:
Mikey :-)
27.Apr.2008 11.45am
Get those people an “fi” ligature!
28.Apr.2008 1.36am
http://www.realcrisps.com/REAL-(Potato-Chips)/REAL-Words.html
28.Apr.2008 6.22am
thank you!!
28.Apr.2008 7.34am
“Think of your favorite Eric Gill - Homeland Security ironic comment.”
It is “Bring Your Daughter to Work Week” in the office of Homeland Security.
ChrisL
28.Apr.2008 7.56am
more examples from typophile: http://www.google.com/search?q=site:typophile.com%20joanna
I used it for the running text in a book called The Downtown Book but not on the cover (that was AG)
http://www.amazon.com/Downtown-Book-York-Scene-1974-1984/dp/0691122865/r...
28.Apr.2008 10.49am
I’ve used it for a redesign of an academic journal called Victorian Review. Both the client and their readers have been pleased with the font, which both enacts the restrained pomp of the Victorian period and yet allows for a comfortable read.
28.Apr.2008 11.24am
Thanks Jason for showing – i really like what you did, especially how you elaborated the regular | italic contrast! Suspenseful.
28.Apr.2008 1.33pm
They set the commencement program at Emerson College in Joanna the year I graduated. It was a neat coincidence, since I have a sort of esoteric connection to it by name (it was designed by Eric Gill and René Hague).
28.Apr.2008 4.05pm
I believe Fortress Press set several books in Joanna in the late 80’s, early 90’s. A Festschrift for Hans Frei stands out in my recollection; the italics in the footnotes were awfully tight.
29.Apr.2008 3.32pm
The new(ish) Routledge Classic edition of CG Jung’s Four Archetypes: Mother, Rebirth, Spirit, Trickster uses it, but it’s not set as nicely as Jason’s example above.
29.Apr.2008 7.58pm
Would it be fair to say Whitman is Joanna without what some consider the mismatched italics?
29.Apr.2008 9.05pm
Kent has written that he drew inspiration for Whitman from both Caledonia and Joanna.
30.Apr.2008 6.53am
Kent’s improvements on Joanna are very subtle; I admire his work here very much, especially the larger counter for the lower case a, which sets a tone of clarity and balance throughout all Whitman usage. For me, the Joanna italics, which seem to belong to another family, serve as an unwelcome speed-bump for the reader, though others love them for precisely that effect...also Joanna’s figures seem crude, whereas Whitman’s figures look right to the point of transparency.
All in all, the appearance of Whitman allowed me to get the Joanna roman look without the Joanna problems. Whitman seems so right it achieves transparency.
30.Apr.2008 10.35am
Further (okay, much further) afield I would also put the Martin Majoor’s work (Seria, Scala, Nexus) as inspired from Eric Gill’s work.
I see a little Joanna in Odile too.
Mikey :-)
30.Apr.2008 1.45pm
@mondoB
Nonsense :) Look at the example Jongseong posted – “Tromdomskonstens …”. The italics might be unusual, but come up beautifully and in an effective contrast to the text set in regular.
BTW. I love the richness of existing typefaces, i’m looking forward to new typefaces to come. I don’t look for an “ideal typeface fits all”-thing!
30.Apr.2008 1.54pm
Look at the example Jongseong posted – “Tromdomskonstens …”. The italics might be unusual, but come up beautifully and in an effective contrast to the text set in regular.
Though, to be fair, it’s a bit of a loaded-dice example since those italicized words happen to be much longer than the roman words on the page.
1.May.2008 6.48am
From the sublimity of “Victorian Review,” I take you to what many consider the height of ridiculousity: ice fishing. Book designer Brian Donahue has submitted sample pages for a photo book on that subject, and he’s used Joanna as his text face:
I was not thrilled when I read his note before opening the file, for Joanna has never been a favorite of mine. I like the “idea” of Joanna, but have rarely seen it used well. But this book may help me appreciate the face. It is well suited to the matter. Its overall sharpness evokes that first great lungfull of cold winter air. Its “f” looks like something one could catch an eelpout on. I’m really happy with the choice.
My dislike of Joanna goes back to metal days. Few USA Monotype houses had mats for Joanna, so if one wanted Joanna, choice was limited. Los Angeles Typefounders set a lot of horrendous Joanna for me once. It appeared that sorts had been cast on wrong set widths, and the line composition had to be re-worked by hand.
& the first versions I saw for photo and digital also had major problems. So I just put it out of mind. “Victorian Review” and this ice fishing book suggest I should re-look at the face.
At times in the past when I wanted the “feel” of Joanna I used Chaparral. Whitman is, of course, a much better face for text setting.
powers