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Michael Clark's picture
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This is a lettering job I did many years ago with a pointed pen. I am now thinking about digitizing it. It is quirky, with ornate caps, and has an exterior texture. Purely an antique titling font but not your typical Modern face. So I thought why not. Whatcha think and should I duck?

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I think it is a very lovely take on this style. The one thing you might add are "regular" caps. I think this would make it more usable.

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Ditto Tiff. You can easily fit these deco caps in the OpenType Swash slots. If you'll pardon a little critique, I think the end stroke on your 'n's could use a little baseline overshoot.

Get it out there, Michael. God knows we need more good alternatives to Papyrus.

Michael Clark's picture
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No speaky Papyrus! I did writey Peanut (P22)!

Michael

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"No speaky Papyrus!"

Ha ha! Nice talk, folks!

Michael, I like the roman, but I have to admit I don't see the swashy romantic caps going with it. I'd just focus on the scratchy modern. It's so informal already with italic outstrokes and ball terminals; The informality makes for an interesting feel. If there were a big loud bold to go with it I bet it would satisfy.

Look at some of the informal copperplate styles in the old PLINC catalogs, at Akira Kobayashi's new Cosmiqua, which is sort of informal/modern, and the interesting, crumpled modern used in Martha Stewart Living, Surveyor. That has an informal quality as well. Yours, as display, could evoke everything from old gravestones to historic painted signs to certificates and deeds.

Also consider the intensity of the roughness. If it's kept at a certain level, it may scale better. Too rough and it will just look blurry at small sizes.

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The roughness is pretty similar to Peanut and it sets pretty well at smaller sizes. I always tell people that anything I design is not meant for small sizes, can't stop'em though. As to the caps I hear all of you loud and clear. A set of relative caps would be the best way to go but I want to keep the Script. This "face", and it is complete, was used in an annual report with swash caps and I kinda liked the secondary rhythm. Looking at this with fresh eyes you all have supplied me I feel the need for speed... some kick ass ligatures which I did not draw for this job. I knew it was a good idea to throw this up here and wait for the weigh in. Keep it coming. I will try and upload the lower case.

BTW some of the weights are a tad off. The l.c. a is a bit heavy etc.

Michael

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Here is the analog l.c.

Michael

Tiffany Wardle's picture
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I love the details. That nib shape on the t really gets me.

I don't think we were suggesting you lose the swash caps, but add standard caps to give it more opportunities for use.

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I love it! Make it or else!

Mikey :-)

PS... You give Doyald Young a run for the money.

Michael Clark's picture
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Gotcha. Looking back you are very right. I tend to be eccentric sometimes, P22 Sting, a Blackletter, has Roman Capitals. But do not tell Kegler.

Michael

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Doyald creates elegance... I leave chaos in the pen's wake! I love to design type but lettering lets you get away with murder!

Michael

Tiffany Wardle's picture
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Well then, we need more blood in type! ;^)

Pedro Leal's picture
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Yes it is worth it.. and do keep the swash Caps as an alternative.

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You definitely need to go ahead with this! To me the Swash caps do work well with the lower case, though I think I'd have alternate Roman caps as well.

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You know you could do mid-caps too. ;^)

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I think the end stroke on your ’n’s could use a little baseline overshoot.

I second this and with the new images I think the h and maybe m as well.

In addition I would maybe experiment with letting the top of the arch of the arm of the r go slightly higher as well.

The opening spaces of the diagonal letters might be a bit bigger than they need to be ( not the x ) but it's hard to say without seeing it set a bit more.

And I agree, it does seem worthwhile.

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I totally agree with the baseline overshot suggestion!

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The "i" is very sexy. :)