Introduction of Myself and My Latest Project

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Introduction of Myself and My Latest Project
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Thought I'd better say hello, having just joined Typophile, and introduce myself briefly-by saying that I'm Paul Lloyd, and that some of you may have come across my past efforts on the Typoasis site.

When I look back at them some are better than others but we all learn over time. Anyway, I'm trying to get a bit more serious about things these days, and I'd be interested to hear people's thoughts on my latest project, a modern serif face called 'Fleete'.

All comments and criticism gratefully received!

Paul.

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These images seem strangely soft. Why is that?

Your examples of use are book oriented. I am not sure this is the best application for your font as it has been designed so far. It seems more like a display face. If you are in earnest about it being a book face that would color my comments quite a bit. So I would like to ask you about this distinction first.

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Hello Paul, I find it similar to Quirinus (book).
Yes, if you fix your image you can have better comments, and if you want comments on the curves you can upload vector graphics.

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Eben,

The softness comes from my having printed hard copy specimens, and then scanned them-I thought this would give a result more representative of the face in use. On reflction a silly idea, I shall post some better images shortly. I'll also see about some vector graphics too.

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Here's a clearer sample image-hope this gives people a better idea. Thinking about it, I do see Fleete as a display face, and this sample reflectgs that better- perhaps!

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Here's a clearer sample image-hope this gives people a better idea. Thinking about it, I do see Fleete as a display face, and this sample reflectgs that better- perhaps!

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Oops! Somehow that sample seems to have got posted twice-apoogies everyone!

Alessandro-you make an interesting point with Quirinus- not a face I was familiar with-Fleet is very similar in broad outline and 'spirit' yet somehow it differs in almost all details.

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I like the "R" and the wavering "S" :-)

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I am finding the bulb at the right bottom of the e distracts me. I would reduce it. The upper right of the e seems too light. The gap produced by the very long arm of the r is also distracting. The c seems to closed. I think the tail of the y might benefit from having a more substantial and definitive finnish such as a bulb end. The same advice for the g. The dot on the i is too light. The s is a nice design but for a different font. I don't think it works here. The ends of the z are too light and disappear. I would look at a deeper join for your n and m. Why are the strokes of the n,m,u having on the first vertical stroke be heavy and lighter afterwards? The u should not be a rotated n.

Overall look at the characters and notice that some are far heavier than the others. Look at how other fonts are not like this and how they achieve and even emphasis from letter to letter. Example w vs, x

I hope this is helpful.

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Eben, acctually, very helpful. Time to work on the next revision, I think! Cheers.

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Great, I look forward to seeing the next version.

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It reminds me a bit of some of my early work on Ruatger/Rutaban. Some very significant differences too, of course. Is this based on modular construction?

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Here's a specimen, with finements in light of Eben's suggestions, plus a few others. Thanks again for taking the time:

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Cuttlefish- I wouldn't say it was modular in a formal sense, but it is true that I've tried to keep similar curves across the different characters where they were appliable-maybe tried a bit too hard in a fee cases, as Eben picked up. :)

I just had a look at our Rutager and Rutabon- I can see the similarity you refer to, though aspects of them in turn remin d me of an old creation of mine "Cleaver's Juvenia", which was derived from the face in a 19th century soap advertisment.

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Hello, I like the general feel to it, also I did like your book-like specimen in the beginning (though it's definitely not a face for a whole novel, for one or two pages, even in bread it could be nice). It definitely has a 19th century feel to it.

I disliked the m,n,u, as it was noted by Eben already. I disliked the original g, missing the upper part of the right stem. It looks like an old "con-" or "-us" abbreviature instead of a g. I preferred the original g to the one with the bulb ending the stroke.

I really like the "t"! I always wished to design a high-t, but most of the time failed to get it to harmonise with the other letters, due to the top serif issue. Nice!

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I'd have to say that 'g' is the character I'm still least satisfied with. Any ideas, anyone? :)

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Look to the bottom of your e for a start.

I would start considering your spacing next. It is the thing that needs the most help. In type letters need to be designed with a mind to how they space and combine. See how the work quick bunches up?

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well in the lowercase, the 'r' is a bit too spacious and kind of destroys the visual flow of the word.

easy rermebdy though, I like the overall feel of it, I'd love to see a PDF sample of it all!