ID fonts, close but not quite

Hi Everyone,
I have two logos I need to recreate, the first one is the 'Responsible Care'
I thought that the top words looked like avenir but it wasn't fat enough and then I thought the tag underneath looked like syntax but the "a's" are different. Does anyone have any suggestions?

The second one is the american trucking company and i didnt have any ideas.

I know these aren't exciting but i just need to recreate them. Thanks.

Comments

The tagline for ‘Responsible ...’ is Luc de Groot’s TheSans.

Thanks, you are totally right, does anyone have any suggestions for the ATA.gif?