C H I L E

Miguel Hernandez's picture

Hello Typophiles,

This is the first advance on a proyect called Chile, a family of fonts in the search of an identity on local design. The font is inspired in italics, made by hand by vernacular painters in the popular commerce. The attached pdf pages shows the comparision between the italic a and my regular interpretation of the inverse contrast of italics.

You can take a look here for more chilean handmade italics
http://www.tipografia.cl/catalogo/catalogo_muestra/emiliana_muestra.htm
I notice that the inverted contrast its similar to Antique Olive, so i found very interesting that i dont know about other fonts with invert contrast, working as a text font..?

Thanks for your critiques!

mh


 The Sans 01.pdf,application/pdf
Chile (13.5 k)

Miguel Hernandez's picture

Another example of text:


chn's picture

I really like it. It feels so good to be chilean sometimes :-)
Se agradece el rescate de esa gr

hrant's picture

This is pretty nice! Besides the flipped contrast, it's also top-heavy, which makes it more unique. And the forms are very warm, but also contemporary. Plus it's slightly dark, which I personally like.

The only problems I see:
-The trapping in "w" and "y" doesn't match the rest.
-The "x" seems off.
-The spacing is uneven.

For the serif version, consider half-serifs.

BTW, besides Olive, check out FF-Balance by Evert Bloemsma.

hhp

Miguel Hernandez's picture

Thanks Christian and Hrant,

I fix some things like vwxy, and make it a little less bold and little less top heavy to be more close to a regular roman sans font, on the text block. Thanks for the FF Balance link, and check out this new version on white background pdf to test on a laser print now..

Hrant, i think that serifs are specially friendly with the flipped contrast, to make a heavy serif union in the baseline, this will be the next step on the new advance,

thanks for your comments,

mh




application/pdf
chile 789 pts.pdf (10.0 k)

rs_donsata's picture

You damned Miguel! You have not stopped amazing me since I first read your posts in here. This is a very good job, but I really can

meir's picture

Wow!!!
Somehow this reminded me of Raphael Frank's handwriting. He was a big Hebrew typographer in the late 19th century, and here's a scan of his handwriting:
Raphael Frank's Handwriting

hrant's picture

In fact Latin fonts with reverse contrast are uniquely suited for subtle mixing with Semitic scripts.

hhp

Miguel Hernandez's picture

Hi to all,

Raphael Frank's handwriting is amazing, Meir. Hrant, what do you mean with half-serifs and subtle mixing with semitic scripts?

Here is more changes, optical adjustments and refined metrics for reading test laser prints, at 8 and 9 points,

Regards,

mh


application/pdf
Chile 9 pts.pdf (12.2 k)

hrant's picture

Half-serifs: If/when you make a serif version, consider making it similar to FF Avance.

Semitic mixing: Arabic and Hebrew [traditionally] have stroke stress opposite to Latin - the horizontals are thicker than the verticals. Since Chile* is like that, it would make for an interesting companion to a Semitic font.

* BTW, I don't think the name works - unless I'm missing something.

BTW, I think your "v", "w" and "y" should have symmetrical stress, not "traditional".

hhp

eomine's picture

Very nice, Miguel.
I'd just say that some round characters (c, e, o) look too dark next to straight ones (n, for example).

Hrant:
> ...FF Avance.

My only complaint with Avance is that it is too dark. I got it from FF some time ago, so I was able to take a closer look. I think the serifs are too heavy.


> * BTW, I don't think the name works - unless I'm
> missing something.

I agree, I don't think it's a good idea to name fonts after your own country.

Miguel Hernandez's picture

>Hrand and Eduardo said...

* BTW, I don't think the name works - unless I'm missing something.
I agree, I don't think it's a good idea to name fonts after your own country.

I was talking and discuss with friends, a lot of time, about how to name a font, which kind of words can i use or how much are not good for a typeface, there are all kind of names, city name, but if you ask me..i never knew about a font with the name of a country.

This is for the Hrant missing arguments for the name...

I think in use Chile for my proyect, is a challenge, because i know that many of the discussions about design here, in Chile, are about identity of our country, there are many people that will be desagree about nemed a font as a country, they can have political or ethic arguments, or just personal thoughts.

Name a font just like my country is about that, i like the word, the sound of it a lot, i like the ch starting names, i think it have a commercial potential too, is short, easy to learn, it is my interpretation of the following question..how can be you personal popular culture enviroment interpretation of a useful local press font family? can a font or a group of fonts help to the richness of the culture in your town, better if your town or country have not his own typography tradition?, etc..

It is rude to use the name you think guys?

meir's picture

Miguel, I don't think they meant naming a font after your country is rude or inappropriate. I think they meant that your font can do much better than to be named after a country :>

Anyways, I tend to respect people's decisions when it comes to naming fonts. It's like naming a child - a very personal process that only the real "parents" take part in.

degregorio2's picture

i think miguel have in his right put the name he want to his font...
the name font in a personal desicion, and we must not judge it.

we must print this pdf in the laser printer and critique the font.

I think Chile is a good name for this font an that is all, its late. good night.

JP

eomine's picture

Miguel:
> It is rude to use the name you think guys?

No, I don't think it's rude. Naming fonts is not easy (it's actually very difficult), and if you think 'Chile' is a good name, then go for it.


Meir:
> I think they meant that your font can do much
> better than to be named after a country

This is what I thought, more or less. Anyway, this can be a complicated subject, and we're getting off-topic.

Nice work again, Miguel. Now to the caps! :-)

jay's picture

Viva Chile Mi**da! :-)

hrant's picture

If choosing the name "Chile" motivates you to do a better job with the design, then that's a great reason.

hhp

cosgaya's picture

Miguel:

Muy interesante tu proyecto. Qu

hrant's picture

> el estudio de la escritura devanagari

Miguel Hernandez's picture

Pablo:

Youre right about the fact in the press and editorial inminent advance, here in latinamerica.

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Can you post an image or a link to the Andralis family?
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When i discover the fact that, when start a sans regular font based on vernacular handwriting, i noticed the inverse contrast was the more interesant topic to rescue, because of the heavy weight on the top and base, it can be very necesary on types with no serifs.Looking around for similar proyects like Antique Olive and FF-Balance (i think Quimera too, but more in a way to revival of Olive, more close in display and decorative function)

Now, the fact that really matter to me on this is to search for more ways to make different sans weight unions between letters with no serifs on the base, so this help to union letters on words..thats the relation that Meier discover on Raphael Frank's handwriting.

> el estudio de la escritura devanagari

I dindt know about this, is very interesting related to the topic about union on the x top base. Devangary and related langages of the world here

http://www.proel.org/mundo/indoeuro.htm

http://www.sanskritweb.de/sansdocs.htm

Any relation by origin in the words sanskrit an sansserif :-) ?

Now i am surprised about the origin and the importance of this languages on the base in our actual serif readable alphabet.


> Half-serifs: If/when you make a serif version, consider making it similar to FF Avance.

Yes, Hrant. Now i understand the relation.

mh.

cosgaya's picture

Estimado Miguel:

Adjunto una imagen de Andralis (antes Aura), pronto comercializada por Neufville Digital. Es un fragmento de la apertura del cat

Miguel Hernandez's picture

This is a new advance in experimentation with chile flipped contrast. The mayor chanches are for balance the weights, searching for a near serif legibility behaviour.

Please post any comments about this following pdf,

Best,

mh


 light.pdf,application/pdf
Chile Sans and Serif (18.9 k)

hrant's picture

Nice stuff.
For the serif version, I think you should try making all the serifs flare out (like you have in the "c" for example). If not, try making them thicker. I think the "reverseness" of the contrast needs to be reflected in the serifs too, somehow.

BTW, during the recent type conference in Greece I saw something that made me think of this design, and I've been meaning to let you know about it. It's called Goudald Serif (apparently it's based on Goudy's work), it's by Aldo de Losa of Argentina, and it was made between 1996-99. And now I realize that it's also in tipoGr

eomine's picture

I wonder why did it become so light?

Also, regarding the serif version, it seems that the serifs are simple 'add-ons' to your sans version.
I think the serifs should be more 'organically' incorporated in the design, they shouldn't be 'add-ons'.

Miguel Hernandez's picture

Hi Type Lovers, here are some Chile news:

- Back in the June

eomine's picture

Lowercase vwxy: I'm thinking that the thin-thick contrast is a bit too much. Dots on i and j are too big. New lowercase g: I like the standard one and the open one, although the latter seems to be falling to the left. And M: the left side counterspace looks larger than the right side counterspace; it's slightly unbalanced.

Miguel Hernandez's picture

Thanks Eduardo.

Another example of text;


Stephen Coles's picture

It's beautiful, Miguel! The only glyphs that bother me are the
third 'g' and the 'K'.

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