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I'm sure we all have certain typefaces we know are really brilliant but somehow they never seem to get the exposure or publicity the rightfully deserve as examples of great type design.

One of those for me is ITC Mendoza. I very rarely see it but it seems to me that it's a really lovely typeface.

Anyone else knows fonts like this?

(granted, this is all personal opinion)

Mark

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Photina, Linotype Centenniel, Melior, Quorum, the list goes on...

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Photina, Linotype Centenniel, Melior, Quorum, the list goes on...

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Vialog and Aptifer are probably some of the best stuff to hit the Linotype line in recent years, and nobody uses them. I find this particularly surprising in the case of Aptifer, because it has a killer range of slab weights that I expected to be a big with the recent revival of slab type.

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helvetica.

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I collected some of my favorite underused fonts for the QBN Typecase and ITC Mendoza is one of them.

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@hashimpm - my girlfriend recently read Shopaholic and Sister (UK edition i think) which surprised me when i flicked through it as it was set in melior.

which at first i was happy about cause i love melior, but for some reason i really didn't like it in that book... i think it was too loose and light.

hmmm...

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Noa, Bohemia, Merlo, Today Sans, and I have yet to see a book set in Clifford.

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Joc Line

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Also Indigo, PTL Speech, anything Maniakers, Arrus, Sirenne, Fleischman from Bitstream, Kennedy from Galapagos, anything Pampatype, Lazurski, anything Anatoletype, Nevia BT Pro from Bitstream, Gilgamesh, Iowan Old Style, Really by Gary Munch.... and Prado from Berthold Types

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> I have yet to see a book set in Clifford.

I have a beautiful example I'll have to post on Typo someday.

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Plantin

I love this font, I have used it for my own corporate identity. I have only seen it used one place before, but I'm glad it's not used too much. The italics are sublime.

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Plantin: most prominent recent use is probably Monocle magazine.

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Silica by Sumner Stone.
Italian Old Style by Frederic W. Goudy.

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Amen, Jürgen. Join me in pestering Sumner every few weeks for Silica italics.

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Stephen: I would even offer him to produce it. I have this in mind for ages ...

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when i read this thread's title, the type nerd living inside my head screamed ITC Mendoza, and, slightly less exited, Silica. how late can you be to join a party...

luckily, there's more. i've yet to encounter Bodoni Egyptian in use, and i'd love to see ARS Maquette printed somewhere other than FontShops own promotional material. (if single weights were available, i might even take matters in my own hands.)

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Mendoza is a fantastic typeface. Its low contrast makes it great to set type in small sizes.
I actually found I owned a license (bundled with some old software, I don't recall if it was Freehand), and I hope some day I will have the opportunity to use it…

I do not have a similar feeling for recent faces, besides it seems there are so many gems to de discovered among 1980s designs (which went overlooked because of the frenzy of the digital avant-gardes, pursuing more display-oriented letters).

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>> I have yet to see a book set in Clifford.

> I have a beautiful example I’ll have to post on Typo someday.

Please, do it soon.

Is there any OT Pro version of ITC Mendoza with CE diacritical marks, etc?

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I do not think that there is yet. Sorry :(

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In the case of Elsner & Flake, their website is a nightmare to search. Bad marketing might apply to some of the others.

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Forgive me, that should read "was". They've apparently updated: http://www.fonts4ever.com/foundry_detail.php?f_shops_id=8

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And: I'll add Stilla to the list. I've only seen it used once.

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I have a Lord of the Rings set in Plantin. It's a delight. Nice and dark too.

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And: I’ll add Stilla to the list. I’ve only seen it used once.
Stilla is great, although you have to be skilled to use it well…
But I think it's one of those typefaces which do not benefit from an excessive exposure.

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It may be just me, but I don't remember seeing Kepler used very much, or Alisal. This despite Robert Slimbach (Kepler) and Matthew Carter (Alisal) not being exactly unknown type designers.

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i’ve yet to encounter Bodoni Egyptian in use

I just saw it used in the kid's section of the latest J. Crew catalog. I think it was the Roman or Thin weight, not sure as I don't have it in front of me. But I remember noticing the type as it was the first time I had seen it in commercial use.

David

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I have yet to find a book set in FB Alpha Bloc Corde with footnotes in Adobe Ponderosa.

I feel empty inside.

André

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The only place I've seen Kepler used is the Cornell Daily Sun.

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The Ascender Originals almost never come up in discussion but are actually pretty nice.
Miramonte is lovely. Metro and Futura’s love child.

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Thanks Stephen. I'm gonna have to buy that typeface. It's amazing!

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Wow..I gotta check out all these faces. To be honest..I'm quite sick of the same stuff being used over and over again...not that they're bad; but we could all use some variety once in awhile.

Just had the opportunity to set a book in Mendoza and I've absolutely fallen for it:D

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Jay Rutherford
I used Mendoza along with Interstate Bold for a corporate identity project a few years ago. They go great together! I built a font package with Mendoza normal, Mendoza Italic, Interstate Bold in the bold position and Mendoza small caps in the bold italic position. The contrasts work well, and it's easy for the architects to use on their PCs.

I also used Clifford some years ago for a book – the documentation of a typography conference we held here in Weimar in 2001. It was never actually printed, rather the PDFs were burned onto a CD and sold that way. Clifford reads really quite well on screen, as well as being an excellent text face for print. I'll upload an image when I get to a computer where the drive works.

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Jay Rutherford
Here's the image:

Interstate Bold is used on the back, set in 10 pt., for the partners' names.

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I used Stilla recently on a t-shirt for friends surprise birthday party.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/typegirl/3048139893/sizes/l/

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Oops! You don't have permission to view this page.

Tiffany, it seems your Flickr settings allow viewing all sizes for friends and family only.

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Fudge.

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That's Motter Femina, not Stilla. Similar feel, though.

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:-X I knew that. Today has not been my day for logic. At all. What so ever. FAIL.

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Still, another great face that doesn't get used much.

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Jürgen, Stephen, if you manage to convince Sumner to add italics to Silica, I will never forgive you. Don't soil such a pristine thing with the impurity that is Italic. Silica has a fine weight gradation for a reason - it doesn't need italics for emphasis, or anything else.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/stewf/18634518/

hhp

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@ Jayar where did you get the OSF for ITC Mendoza. I don't remember it having OSF? Or did it?

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Yehan: it was a long time ago that I did this, can’t remember exactly. It may be that I opened the file in Fontographer, the oldstyle figures were in there and I just copied and pasted them into the normal positions (I have done this with a few faces). When I open the font now in FontLab, though, they aren't there. I also don't remember where the small caps came from – if I find them, that may be where the OS figures came from. A little detective work is apparently in order. I’ll get right on it.

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Architype Bayer-Type is based upon Herbert bayer's 1931 experimental, universal modern face.
I love this one.
You can find it at: http://www.foundrytypes.co.uk

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Jay’s example reminded me of pairing Metron with Lucida Bright on a friends card. Printed on a Heidelberg Windmill. This was before Metron fell into a legal mess.

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Joshua Darden's Freight
Sumner Stone's Cycles [Eleven]
Jean Francoise Porchez's Parisine Plus

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Hrant - You are alone in your hatred of italics. The rest of us want versatility, not your imagination of "purity".

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1) Well, not really hatred.
2) Nobody is ever alone.
3) Versatility does not exist in a vacuum; things you can't see are tugging on it. And integrity has a versatility all its own.

hhp

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BTW, to reply to the original post: Octavian, Legato, Sangue.

hhp