good to have you back, hrant! and thanks for the encouraging words. i've had to rethink my strategy (a glyph a day) but it was fun to think i could do it for a while. anyhow i've roughed out the basic gist of the lc, and taken this in a different direction than i chose for my first w. i wanted the characters to be a little more "inkey" and "gooey" but i still want it to be pretty clean. the character with the best "polish" in the following example would definately be the a (the short one) i've worked a bit on the n and the u by straightening out the verticals, but they need a lot more attention. anyhow, i guess right now i wanna find out if i'm going in the right direction. whaddya think? hope to hear from somebody... anybody...
gosh, that was fast! is "charm" like "cute" in that it's a kiss of death? ;^)
i'm forever indecisive and am thinking of cleaning this up a bit more for what i wanted, making an more polished version with straighter verticals and an extra crisp version, although that seems kinda outta character for a "bastard" script. i just love these letterforms tho... and i'm having fun with OT features like with the "with" and "that" ligs.
I was in Vienna last week, and while I was walking around somewhere, I saw this old Pokemon thing that said "Pikachu, I choose you!" I just broke out laughing, because I thought "Oh man, Pikachu is so yesterday!"*
Then I immediately thought, I need to change my typophile icon to Pikachu. Can't explain why, but I couldn't get the idea out of my head for the rest of the vacation.
Rest assured, I will change it in the not too distant future.
How is Adam coming along?
* Being so yesterday made this a perfect match for Viennna. I've never been in a city that was so about yesterday in my whole life. I don't think that Vienna could fake contemporary to save its life. This was sadly the most boring vacation destination I ever chose
Actually I made a Bastarda font myself (it's a beta, not finished yet). For a long time i've been thinking, i was the only human on earth trying to revive the old Bastarda ... i was wrong. Anybody with any suggestions?
WOW! how did i miss that post? now THAT is a gorgeous w!!! and thanks a bunch for hijacking my thread and showing me up! ;^) so when, where is this going to be available?
the font has not really been released, yet ... that means i didn't sell it to any foundry. But the font now has a unique name and some letters have been reshaped a little.
See the Attachment for current status of thy BlackPearl font! (maybe i should create a new thread, now that the font's got its own name... but hey, any critique is welcome, even here ...)
Mappe to thy Treasures of thy BlackPearl BlackPearl.pdf (1415.1 k)
Paul, my favorite two characters are still the first w and the d ... looking at the .swf it seems those two characters still retain the character of the period but have been finessed enough to seem more than a mimicky revival of an old manuscript.
dan, i differ on the point that the world doesn't need more fonts like this one. what would be really wicked cool would be an OT version that does all kinds of crazy stuff. this has been on the back burner for a while! maybe if anyone leaves some good crits and shows some interest in it i'll get back on it.
Paul, here you are trying for more 'exhuberance', but you might like to compare Karsten Lueke's Litteratra
as another sort of black letter without hairlines...
BTW, from what I know somebody at Village is making a Hebrew blackletter!! Any sneak peaks? But any replyers (replicants?) to this might wait until the live crit is over, so as not to distract.
thanks kvaternion! Feels good to see someone likes the BlackPearl.
I created my own Thread by now in which you could give your Critique to the BlackPearl ;-)
Sorry for Hi-Jacking this Thread ( I really like the Adam-Font ... think it's far better than my Bastarda, although they are quite different )
Hrant, the Village Hebrew type you mentioned above is Kaas. It isn't really a Hebrew typeface per se, rather a big OpenType font with Hebrew characters in it as well. Most of the glyphs are Latin. All in all, I like Kaas. Maybe you'd like to discuss it in an additional thread? I'd like to keep this on track, mainly because Paul had better finish Adam as soon as possible if he knows what's good for him ;-)
[moderator's message]I'd like to encourage everyone to keep talking about Black Pearl as well—but please, in its own thread. You can go there via this link![/moderator's message]
Yes, when I made that post Kaas wasn't released yet, so I didn't call it by name. But I don't understand you calling it "not a Hebrew typeface", just because it also has scripts beside Hebrew. Is my Nour&Patria neither Armenian nor Latin?
BTW, in another thread I said that a Hebrew blackletter was a good,
needed thing, but I thought you said it was "insulting" or something.
Hrant, I assume that Kaas is being primarially marketed to Latin users and as a Latin typeface. Inasmuch, it isn't a "Hebrew" typeface, per se. Although I'm sure that you can set excellent Hebrew display strings with it (disclaimer, I cannot weigh in pro or against the design of these Hebrew glyphs. I know too little about the writing system :-( ).
It is just like I wouldn't call Helvetica Linotype a Hebrew typeface, even though John Hudson included Hebrew into its character set. Helvetica Linotype is a Latin face that can also set Greek, Cyrillic, Hebrew, and Arabic. Or maybe it is a global face that can set Latin (even Vietnamese!), Greek, Cyrillic, Hebrew, and Arabic. But the main focus & audience of the font isn't Hebrew (disclaimer, I cannot weigh in pro or against the design of these Hebrew glyphs. I know too little about the writing system :-( ).
Yes, I must have posted somewhere that I find the idea of Hebrew blackletter distasteful. I love Blackletter, and I love Hebrew, but I wouldn't ever mix the two, personally. Maybe there is someone who can pull that off—maybe Kaas does it—but the "idea" just doesn't sit well with me. I'd rather not go there.
I don't see how the idea of "primarily" (especially in terms of marketing) is useful here. Nour & Patria is meant as a "multi-balanced" system for both scripts (which I would argue is the ideal), and it's marketed (well, maybe not yet) to whoever wants to use whichever of its components (including the subordinates as stand-alones). Does that mean it's neither Armenian nor Latin?! :-/
That said, maybe calling Kaas a "Hebrew typeface" can be
confusing; but really, that's just a terminological issue.
You can set blackletter Hebrew in it - that's what counts.
> the “idea” just doesn’t sit well with me.
Maybe that's why you're having a terminological gallstone? :-)
Maybe you even wish it didn't have Hebrew in it?
I hope the designer shows up.
for Gutenberg, who was jewish by the looks of things
Good morning!
Wow, I haven't ever heard this before. Can you point me to the scholarship that has lead you in this direction? That would be something for conspiracy theorists, all right…
…and here I thought all along that Gutenberg was so interested in making money from the Catholic Church because he had to face the harsh reality of having a Patrician father and commoner mother (both of who, I had also always assumed, were Catholics as well…), and therefore got to grow up in the midst of Mainzer aristocracy, without getting to be an aristocrat himself :(
30 Jun 2004 — 9:36am
>why thank you, miss tiffany.
here's what i'm doing here
30 Jun 2004 — 10:12am
WOW! I did a bit of digging and found this. take a look, it's absolutely stunning!
1 Jul 2004 — 12:21am
16 Jul 2004 — 10:26pm
Those are great shapes, man.
They just need some polish here and there.
hhp
17 Jul 2004 — 12:15am
good to have you back, hrant! and thanks for the encouraging words. i've had to rethink my strategy (a glyph a day) but it was fun to think i could do it for a while. anyhow i've roughed out the basic gist of the lc, and taken this in a different direction than i chose for my first w. i wanted the characters to be a little more "inkey" and "gooey" but i still want it to be pretty clean. the character with the best "polish" in the following example would definately be the a (the short one) i've worked a bit on the n and the u by straightening out the verticals, but they need a lot more attention. anyhow, i guess right now i wanna find out if i'm going in the right direction. whaddya think? hope to hear from somebody... anybody...
Untitled-1.swf (8.5 k)
17 Jul 2004 — 12:23am
If this is the look (and it has charm) then be careful, there might be such a thing as too much polish...
BTW, interestingly, the punchcutters of yesteryear generally seemed to average one character a day! So does Dan Carr, from what he told me in '99.
hhp
17 Jul 2004 — 12:34am
gosh, that was fast! is "charm" like "cute" in that it's a kiss of death? ;^)
i'm forever indecisive and am thinking of cleaning this up a bit more for what i wanted, making an more polished version with straighter verticals and an extra crisp version, although that seems kinda outta character for a "bastard" script. i just love these letterforms tho...
and i'm having fun with OT features like with the "with" and "that" ligs.
17 Jul 2004 — 9:07am
No, "charm" is way better than cute. It's even better than "pretty".
> i'm having fun with OT features like with the "with" and "that" ligs.
Cool. I touched on that stuff during my talk in Greece.
Make sure to leverage linguistic frequency data, like Eric did:
http://www.processtypefoundry.com/typefaces/lingua/info.html
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BTW, the forum mechanics are getting worse by the week... :-(
I wonder what I'm missing.
hhp
27 Jul 2004 — 7:37am
Paul, I would make it a little more polished
15 Sep 2004 — 4:50pm
dan... why did you become pikachu all the sudden? it kinda freaks me out! ;^)
16 Sep 2004 — 3:55am
I was in Vienna last week, and while I was walking around somewhere, I saw this old Pokemon thing that said "Pikachu, I choose you!" I just broke out laughing, because I thought "Oh man, Pikachu is so yesterday!"*
Then I immediately thought, I need to change my typophile icon to Pikachu. Can't explain why, but I couldn't get the idea out of my head for the rest of the vacation.
Rest assured, I will change it in the not too distant future.
How is Adam coming along?
* Being so yesterday made this a perfect match for Viennna. I've never been in a city that was so about yesterday in my whole life. I don't think that Vienna could fake contemporary to save its life. This was sadly the most boring vacation destination I ever chose
30 Sep 2004 — 3:16am
Hey Paul,
how are things with your Bastarda?
Actually I made a Bastarda font myself (it's a beta, not finished yet).
For a long time i've been thinking, i was the only human on earth trying to revive the old Bastarda ... i was wrong.
Anybody with any suggestions?
Bastarda.pdf (37.2 k)
(as this is my first post on Typophile: Hello and thank you! This is a place to be!)
14 Feb 2005 — 8:36pm
WOW! how did i miss that post? now THAT is a gorgeous w!!! and thanks a bunch for hijacking my thread and showing me up! ;^) so when, where is this going to be available?
16 Feb 2005 — 4:41am
hey, at least some soul found my post!
the font has not really been released, yet ... that means i didn't sell it to any foundry. But the font now has a unique name and some letters have been reshaped a little.
See the Attachment for current status of thy BlackPearl font!
(maybe i should create a new thread, now that the font's got its own name... but hey, any critique is welcome, even here ...)
BlackPearl.pdf (1415.1 k)
18 Aug 2005 — 7:10am
Paul, I've picked Adam to represent the Blackletter category on the first-ever Typophile Critique Thursday beacause I think the design is wicked cool.
I also hope that you have done more of it, and that you'll show it off, finish it, and release it.
The world probably doesn't *need* such a font, but I want to see it have one more anyway!
So?
18 Aug 2005 — 9:02am
Paul, my favorite two characters are still the first w and the d ... looking at the .swf it seems those two characters still retain the character of the period but have been finessed enough to seem more than a mimicky revival of an old manuscript.
18 Aug 2005 — 9:44am
dan, i differ on the point that the world doesn't need more fonts like this one. what would be really wicked cool would be an OT version that does all kinds of crazy stuff. this has been on the back burner for a while! maybe if anyone leaves some good crits and shows some interest in it i'll get back on it.
18 Aug 2005 — 9:46am
i'm interested!!!
18 Aug 2005 — 9:59am
I know, I know. And I want to see it, too, Paul. But if its really necessary… ;-)
Get to work!
18 Aug 2005 — 10:29am
Paul, here you are trying for more 'exhuberance', but you might like to compare Karsten Lueke's Litteratra
as another sort of black letter without hairlines...
18 Aug 2005 — 10:33am
BTW, from what I know somebody at Village is making a Hebrew blackletter!! Any sneak peaks? But any replyers (replicants?) to this might wait until the live crit is over, so as not to distract.
hhp
26 Oct 2005 — 6:08am
BlackPearl is very impressive, I'm surprised at how good it looks in running text.
27 Oct 2005 — 1:44pm
thanks kvaternion! Feels good to see someone likes the BlackPearl.
I created my own Thread by now in which you could give your Critique to the BlackPearl ;-)
Sorry for Hi-Jacking this Thread ( I really like the Adam-Font ... think it's far better than my Bastarda, although they are quite different )
Here's the new BlackPearl Thread : http://typophile.com/node/15888
Thanks
brxnd
27 Oct 2005 — 2:07pm
Wow! These are great. I hope you both keep going!
30 Oct 2005 — 4:08am
Hrant, the Village Hebrew type you mentioned above is Kaas. It isn't really a Hebrew typeface per se, rather a big OpenType font with Hebrew characters in it as well. Most of the glyphs are Latin. All in all, I like Kaas. Maybe you'd like to discuss it in an additional thread? I'd like to keep this on track, mainly because Paul had better finish Adam as soon as possible if he knows what's good for him ;-)
[moderator's message]I'd like to encourage everyone to keep talking about Black Pearl as well—but please, in its own thread. You can go there via this link![/moderator's message]
30 Oct 2005 — 8:59am
Yes, when I made that post Kaas wasn't released yet, so I didn't call it by name. But I don't understand you calling it "not a Hebrew typeface", just because it also has scripts beside Hebrew. Is my Nour&Patria neither Armenian nor Latin?
BTW, in another thread I said that a Hebrew blackletter was a good,
needed thing, but I thought you said it was "insulting" or something.
hhp
30 Oct 2005 — 9:53am
Hrant, I assume that Kaas is being primarially marketed to Latin users and as a Latin typeface. Inasmuch, it isn't a "Hebrew" typeface, per se. Although I'm sure that you can set excellent Hebrew display strings with it (disclaimer, I cannot weigh in pro or against the design of these Hebrew glyphs. I know too little about the writing system :-( ).
It is just like I wouldn't call Helvetica Linotype a Hebrew typeface, even though John Hudson included Hebrew into its character set. Helvetica Linotype is a Latin face that can also set Greek, Cyrillic, Hebrew, and Arabic. Or maybe it is a global face that can set Latin (even Vietnamese!), Greek, Cyrillic, Hebrew, and Arabic. But the main focus & audience of the font isn't Hebrew (disclaimer, I cannot weigh in pro or against the design of these Hebrew glyphs. I know too little about the writing system :-( ).
Yes, I must have posted somewhere that I find the idea of Hebrew blackletter distasteful. I love Blackletter, and I love Hebrew, but I wouldn't ever mix the two, personally. Maybe there is someone who can pull that off—maybe Kaas does it—but the "idea" just doesn't sit well with me. I'd rather not go there.
30 Oct 2005 — 10:02am
I don't see how the idea of "primarily" (especially in terms of marketing) is useful here. Nour & Patria is meant as a "multi-balanced" system for both scripts (which I would argue is the ideal), and it's marketed (well, maybe not yet) to whoever wants to use whichever of its components (including the subordinates as stand-alones). Does that mean it's neither Armenian nor Latin?! :-/
That said, maybe calling Kaas a "Hebrew typeface" can be
confusing; but really, that's just a terminological issue.
You can set blackletter Hebrew in it - that's what counts.
> the “idea” just doesn’t sit well with me.
Maybe that's why you're having a terminological gallstone? :-)
Maybe you even wish it didn't have Hebrew in it?
I hope the designer shows up.
hhp
30 Oct 2005 — 10:15am
I hope the designer shows up.
Me too! I'd love to hear how he thought about it.
15 Mar 2006 — 10:43pm
Sorry about the late response (I just came across this discussion).
Yes, I must have posted somewhere that I find the idea of Hebrew blackletter distasteful.
To each their own I guess, but if blackletter was good enough for Gutenberg, who was jewish by the looks of things, why so squeemish?
16 Mar 2006 — 12:25am
for Gutenberg, who was jewish by the looks of things
Good morning!
Wow, I haven't ever heard this before. Can you point me to the scholarship that has lead you in this direction? That would be something for conspiracy theorists, all right…
…and here I thought all along that Gutenberg was so interested in making money from the Catholic Church because he had to face the harsh reality of having a Patrician father and commoner mother (both of who, I had also always assumed, were Catholics as well…), and therefore got to grow up in the midst of Mainzer aristocracy, without getting to be an aristocrat himself :(
18 May 2006 — 10:15am
get your own thread(s) already! >^P
30 Jun 2004 — 9:05am
now THAT is a beautiful w! Is this your design Paul? If not, what is the name of this typeface?