The Return of The Son of The Type ID Pop Quiz - The Sequel

Bald Condensed
11.Jul.2004 10.33am
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With my sincerest apologies to Chesh for keeping
his baby in the fridge for so long, here is - at last -
the expanded multi-level all ages new challenge
which marks the next chapter in the history of our
beloved Type ID Pop Quiz.

Here's the deal:
Each line is set in a different typeface. Identify
each typeface and find the odd one out. You'll
probably find some couples in there, but it was
my intention that one has a distinctive trait that
sets it apart from the other five. It is something
obvious, so entry-level Typophiles should be able
to find it as well once the typefaces are known.
Have fun! :-)



I actually composed this whole challenge typing
with one hand, holding a sleeping Nona with my
left arm against my chest...

Line 6: Charlotte Sans


Legacy
Quadraat
Syntax
John
Scala
Charlotte
my guess all have a seriffed partner except John


Is John Sans the odd one out because of its "alternation
of soft and sharp stroke endings", as described in the
Storm Type description?


Well, this entry-level fellow had a tough time even
figuring out what the heck you were after, Yves. The
link I provided, though, makes it obvious even to me
the uniqueness of John Sans.

As far as the next quiz topic ... I couldn't have ID'd
a single one of those samples without a big chunk
of time on MyFonts. Any objections to asking Gary
to challenge us next, seeing as how he nailed the
last two fonts and is evidently pretty new to this forum.
Howzaboutit Gary?


I'm sorry. I misunderstood ... and clearly still don't
have a clue.


Does it have anything to do with Syntax being the only one that has a square dot on the i?


Anything to do with the tails on the y's?

In English, we have an expression that goes "grasping at straws"... which is what I am doing in this post! Ha!


Here's something dopey obvious: The name of each font
except Syntax includes the 'Sans'.


One more "reach" and I'm off to bed: John Sans is
different from the others in that the bowl of its g is
not closed.


Line 1. Legacy - because the "e" is different?


heheh true true


legacy because it has low x-height?


oki anothee simple one


another stupid guess quadraat is leaning forward..especially the lc o


Has this got anything to do with the historical origins of
the serifed faces that these sans are derived from?


Foundry sans? It's based on Stempel Garamond to the best of my knowledge.
Legacy is (roughly) renaissance
Quadraat is Dutch Baroque
Syntax is sabon (baroque again?)
John sans is Baskerville (ie neoclassical)

I'll say legacy is the odd one out. It's the only one based directly on renaissance humanist type.

Yves, your hints are agonisingly tantalising. (and therefore very good hints)


Is it the italic?
Syntax has a sloped roman (as does Foundry sans)


How very oblique.
OK, let me cook something up for you.


Right. Apologies if this is too easy / hard.

Which one is the odd one out?
There's quite a specific reason.
information


Ok here's what I have got.

DIN is used on highways
Frutiger in an airport
Interstate on highways

Argh... wild bet.
Last one looks like the one
used on danish roadsigns actually.
Don't know the name. But if this is
true then I guess they are all used
on for road signage except for Frutiger.

:|




That's it! Well done.

The last one is used on British road signs and is called Transport,
designed by Jock Kinnear and Margaret Calvert.

Was that too easy ... ? I wondered whether including Interstate
was too big a clue. Anyway, well done Magnus, your turn.

Do they all have to be 'odd one out' style questions?


Yeah!!!
That Transport looks VERY similar to
the Danish Roadsign type. I am thinking
it is indeed the same one.

I have this old Typeposter from SignTronic
(signmaking company) with samples of all of
their fonts. Both the Danish and the British
appear on that poster but they have different
names even though they are identical.
-Roadsign Denmark
-Transport

Anyways... Hooray


Check out these four babies


Monotype Centaur
ITC Legacy
Adobe Jenson
Linotype Guardi
my guess is they are all based on Jenson
except Guardi


can anyone talk me through the process of posting an image in this forum


Righto, Gary. Congrats.

yves>>>
The deal where you post just a part of a distinctive character sounds more fun.

Oh yeah, and the deal where you hide text within your posts... that's just... sneaky. :-)


Yves, that white type thing was good timing! Had you posted an hour later the white type would've shown against the grey background.. Clever! :-)


Nope, one could argue that John Sans' serifed partner
would be Baskerville. I could reveal further proof of
that but that would be telling.

I think this is going to be interesting. :-)


Ow ow ow Mike, you're going waaay too expert on me!
You are totally and utterly correct, but I don't think an
"entry-level Typophile" could come up with this kind
of sophisticated answer.

Another try? :-)


BTW Good to see Storm's back online.


No I digress. I'd like to hear the solution I had in
mind if that's okay with you guys. Trust me, it's
fun and it's really obvious. A chorus of slapping
on foreheads will be heard. :-)


No prob Mike! :-)

Tom, you are closing in... The square dot is not it, because then
you could argue FF Quadraat Sans is an odd one out as well due
to the angled stroke ends. It's even more obvious than that. But
you're getting mighty hot.

Hint 1 In Flemish we have an expression that sez: "Je moet verder
kijken dan je neus lang is" which roughly translates as "Look further
than the legth of your nose". :-)


Well, the tails go from pretty straight to curved, so I guess
there's no obvious odd one out for this.

"Looking further than the length of your nose" means you
shouldn't look at what's in front of you but have to make
an "extra step" to see the obvious. Hmmm... I wonder if that
was cryptic enough.


Hey, I'm not THAT dopey!

I'm gonna give a decisive hint tonight, so the American
continent can have a go at it as well.


Hmmm.... I should've known including John Sans would
cause me trouble. I'd better've stuck to the original plan.
Stupid me.

No that's not it, but you're on the right track. I think you
must broaden your perspective, look at it from another
angle maybe. These style differences you're mentioning
are too subtle.


There's a huge albeit somewhat conceiled hint in that
last paragraph.


Well, the crossbar on the FF Quadraat Sans e is not exactly
horizontal as well, innit?


Hmmm... what is high, what is low? Too arbitrary a choice.
Does FF Scala Sans have a low x-height? That's not it...


Tsk tsk tsk, that's not what I was looking for, though you
are incredibly close to the solution in a roundabout way.
:-)


Now that is an interesting guess, but that's also the main
reason why I included John Sans* which is causing me so
much trouble now. Both Syntax and John Sans are drawn
on the "skeleton" of a hystoric face (Sabon and Baskerville
respectively).

Peter, there is indeed a forward-leaning motion in FF Quadraat
Sans, but the other typefaces also have subtle differences in
stress and contrast which makes this an unlikely solution.

*I originally intended to include a Foundry typeface to avoid
this situation but that would've ruined the thing I'm looking for.
Can you guess which Foundry family I'm speaking about?
Then you (almost) have the soultion.


Foundry Sans indeed. Now why couldn't I include Foundry Sans
in my list? Because then the odd one out would've been a pair,
which means Foundry Sans has one very obvious design "quirk"
in common with the odd one out from my list.

Almost there kids! This is fun. :-)


Close enough: though Syntax is a humanist sans serif based on/
with a companion serif face, it is the only family with a double-
storey lc "a" in its italic. See, I told you guys to look at it from

:-)

Congratulations Alex, your turn to challenge us!


Oh no, I've created a monster!

I know those faces, and I've got a vague ID (sic) where all this
is going, but I'll wait for the others to join the fun.

DIN 1451 Mittelschrift, Frutiger, Interstate and the UK face all
are signage faces, but Frutiger is the only one not used on road
signs but designed for an airport (Charles de Gaulle in Paris).


BTW, if you select ALL the text in my "Oh no, I've
created a monster!" post you'll notice the answer
was there in white type all along. I felt somebody
else should get it this time.

I always wondered why Typophile formatting had
a "white" tag, but now I know. :-)


Okay Gary: go to the Type Identification Board topics
page and click the Frequently Asked Questions link.

BTW This "odd one out" is not really necessary: usually
we post a part of one distinctive character of a typeface
and then everyone tries to identify which face it's from.


For the newbies: this here is the previous incarnation
of the Quiz. You need to guess name, character and
designer of the typeface, and preferably provide a
link to its online "home".


Heheheh :-)

Take it away Gary, any which way you like. The floor's yours.


Ooooh, fancy..

Line 1: Legacy Sans
Line 4: John Sans