(x) Travel Channel identity - Akzidenz Grotesk, ITC Conduit {Jan E}

Anybody know these two fonts from the latest Travel Channel ID (I can't keep up with these guys):

"current" logo:

...it's in the helvetica range/look, but the C is throwing me.

newer catchphrase/look:

...whatthefont comes close, but no cigar.



The current one is Akzidenz Grotesk.
The new one looks like ITC Conduit.