I really like Trebuchet

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@sii - to be honest, i was confused by his post...

Confused? Well, there is an inverse relationship between the font(s) we think of as highly readable in high resolution text, and the font(s) we are force-fed because they are easy to render at low resolutions.

See here? Serif font, traditional sans, simplified sans and seriously simplified sans. The simplified sans, of which we speak, developed in reaction to the middling resolutions of early laser printers. Then, when these fonts worked well enough with 1/2 hinted anti-aliasing for screens, well, there was 'no reason' to consider any more broad design needs from technology. X hints? who needs em, if OSs can get by with one such font. . . But now, users want hundreds of styles to work at all sizes and resolutions, everywhere.

What to do? Sheep love Trebuchet, Verdana and Lucida anything — wolves roam.

Cheers!

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Omg I hate this font with a passion!! That lowercase 'a' always pisses me off and the splayed edges. The 'g' too. Just so awful and annoying and like Arial I gotta see it everywhere *shoot me*

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Joined: 25 May 2006 - 10:01am
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@ holf :

"fail"

holy shyte. brilliant. such insight is waisted here.

@ nycionx: breathe slowly into a paper bag. you'll feel better.

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I love resurrecting old threads just to talk trash! Now that webfonts exist, may those who hate never worry about Trebuchet again. It's not the best, but it's not the worst, and may it rest peacefully amongst the OG Core Fonts.

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Big Brother in Holland's first logo was in Trebuchet then they took out the words and turned to shite.
Newsnight had it as a logo for years now it is something so boring no one knows what it is.
Apple's iCards were in Comic Sans then they went and made Chalkboard after they copied the trash can and multitasking from Xerox and Microsoft and re-invented System 7 as iOS 7 but no Newton support or TrueType GX.

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Actually Apple swiped the whole GUI idea from Xerox PARC; but Macs did not have true pre-emptive multitasking until System8. For a long while the only personal computer with true multitasking was the Amiga.

hhp

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Actually Apple swiped the whole GUI idea from Xerox PARC

That may be true, but it shows that having a nice idea does not count as much in the end as turning it into a product that is accepted and appreciated by a large audience. And that is only the start. Looking back, we may say that Apple almost did not survive the starting period because Lisa was a flop and that Amiga did not survive in the longer run.

For a long while the only personal computer with true multitasking was the Amiga.

Hmm … Amiga … my former colleague Jelle Bosma used to have one. He was even able to program an editor with which he could read in, on-screen edit and export IK-Format on that machine. That way he did a part of the corrections on Forlane, the predecessor of Cambria, while working at Scangraphic. Where did Amiga got lost again? Not being able to switch to the PowerPC or Intel platform in time? Windows 3.1? Others outbeating them on the video-editor software market?

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As I recall, the Black Ghost – the Sinclair QL – also had pre-emptive multitasking in its OS.

Re the Amiga, I think Commodore got too used to it being a nice little earner for them, plus the Attack of the Faceless PC Clones.

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having a nice idea does not count as much in the end

But for some of us being honest does.

Amiga died because of zero marketing - its eventual owners made more money killing it; because culture and money aren't the same thing. On every technical front it was superior to anything out there, years in advance. I ran Fontographer via Mac emulation, and it ran faster than on a Mac; I also had a Windows emulator (which however required a card). My 3000 is still in the garage. :-) The 500 I had donated to a small Armenian TV show.

hhp

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having a nice idea does not count as much in the end

But for some of us being honest does.

OK, let’s agree that it counts in a different way :–)

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All resurrected threads must include a reference to the Amiga and Fidel Castro's Rolex, so just setting the record straight.

Did I ever tell you about the time I put an Amiga in a freezer... http://jdanddiet.blogspot.com/2013/05/retro-gamer-article-extras-interce...

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Upping the ante: AmigaOne X1000. I think I actually want one.

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Great interview Si, I have friends who live in Burghfield Common and play for Tadley RFC and I will never think about the area in quite the same way again!

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>Burghfield Common and play for Tadley RFC

Burghfiled was where the nukes were stored, and Aldermaston's proximity to Greenham Common air base made the neighborhood pretty much target #1 for the Soviets. It was good to know that when the bomb dropped it would be instant vaporization.

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Exactly what I was told when I first visited, it filled me with a warm glow!