two faces to id

Greg Kucharo's picture

First (on the left) is a serif, maybe art nouveau style? Distinctive three line etching on wavy crossbars for A and H. Mackintosh style dot ornament in the C counter and the D. It's close to a few fonts, but just not quite there. Seems close to Mackintosh and Mackintosh variants.
Second is clearly a decorative face, but I could not pin down the pattern of three diamond–large diamond–three diamond ornamentation.

Both are metal type, obviously, owned by Peter Koch of Peter Koch Printers, my employer for the summer.

History unknown.

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Greg Kucharo's picture

I've clearly stumped everyone..

Bleisetzer's picture

Please contact me using email button on www.bleisetzer.de
I know an american lead letter friend, who might know these fonts
and I can send you his email. (but pls not using a forum entry.)

Georg
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Mike F's picture

The first is clearly derivative of Monopol (Eduard Scholz Typefoundry, 1900):

Mike F's picture

The second shows up in the Solotype Catalog (black & white reversed) as Diamond Inlay.

Greg Kucharo's picture

Great. Thanks Mike. I have some additional information from a source Georg directed me to. I'll post it shortly.

Greg Kucharo's picture

Some additional information from the very well informed Mr. Gregory Walters of Ohio, (via the also excellent Georg Kraus). Thanks to Mike F for the concurrent assist as well.

"The face on the right is called Diamond Inlaid. I think this is a "new" name. It was originally Ornamented #1071 from the Bruce Foundry. Charles Broad (Typefounders of Phoenix) had new mats made and cast the 24 and 36 point sizes with the Diamond Inlaid name. I think that was in the 1960's. Your type is from that reproduction casting. His mats were then acquired by LA Type Founders and that operation was bought by Barco in Illinois. LA Type has been shut down, and I've been told that the mats were scrapped, though I don't know for sure."

"Mother Hubbard, (on the left), was originated by the Dickinson Type Foundry in Boston. I can't give you a date, but it has the look of the faces brought out in the 1880-1895 era. The earliest specimen I have showing the face is an 1894 ATF Collective specimen. It says the face originated with Dickinson, so it was likely designed before 1892 (when they joined ATF). The original fonts had line ending ornaments and also swashes. The swash was placed above the type. Applied to the Monopol specimen, it might be placed to start at the top right serif of the A and swirl up over the B. It could also start at the top left serif of the B and swirl back over the A. The swash would have been on a smaller body. If you have 24 pt. type, the swash might have been on a 6 or 8-point body. As for Monopol, it is clearly a derivative of Mother Hubbard if it was introduced in 1900. That's quite late for a face like Mother Hubbard, but what they used for Monopol looks a lot more like Art Nouveau than Mother Hubbard does. So it might in indeed have been reintroduced in 1900. Mother Hubbard was shown in an 1896 ATF specimen, but is not present in the 1906 ATF specimen. ATF was quick to drop the old quirky faces of the artistic printing era."

Bleisetzer's picture

He, hee... :-)

How nice. The old fashioned lead & letterpress guys can help you digital guys out of typography. International and epoche-crossing teamwork at its best. How great, I could help.

best regards,
Georg
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