Any idea which Sans Serif is this?

Nymus's picture

I can't quite figure out which typeface is this Sans Serif. Can anyone tell me?

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microspective's picture

This is clearly Akzidenz-Univetiger Pro.

Nymus's picture

Thanks Raymond can ou please send me a link to Akzidenz-Univetiger Pro.

nina's picture

Yeah, almost. I'd say this is Haas Unica. Compare to this:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bauldoff/2389098041/
Hard to tell if it's the original (which is not available anymore), or maybe a new interpretation? We've had a couple of those recently.

Nymus's picture

Thanks Nina, it looks like it. Where can I find the new interpretation of Unica?

omega's picture

Hi Nymus,

Long time no see. How are you these days? Nina is ight, it is Unica indeed, although I did not recognize it by the looks of it. I did recognize the way Compugraphic presented its typefaces in one of its old catalogs that I have. Where did you find the image that you posted?

Boris

nina's picture

Nymus, I haven't found any new interpretations that are actually available. :-/
This was discussed recently: http://typophile.com/node/61737
Sorry not to be of more help – I'd like to have it, too!

microspective's picture

Sorry, Nymus. My comment was only meant to be silly because of Unica's many inspirations. Silly in a friendly, insider wit kind of way, not a sarcastic, mean way, as we sometimes see here (for some reason).

Cheers!
Ray

omega's picture

Nymus,

I happen to have a typeface annual and calendar from 1989, '26 Letters, Lettern, Lettres' and in there I found these two pages about Unica. I hope you find them interesting

Boris


Miss Tiffany's picture

My secret source can confirm that it is Haas Unica.

omega's picture

Nymus hi again.

Go to Google and search for: "Haas Unica" downloads

You will hit at least twice the "Haas Unica download Torrent"... Alas I couldn't get anything from there. It is probably a scam...

Boris

Nymus's picture

No problemo Raymond,

Your comment was taken quite nicely as I did get the point that it was meant to be friendly.

Nymus

Nymus's picture

Hi Nina,

As you can see omega has posted a possible but maybe improbable way to access Haas Unica. Why don't you give it a try. I Tried but I wasn't lucky.

Nymus

Nymus's picture

Hey Boris,

I forgot to ask, what has happened with the Doric weights and Greek and Cyrillic that you were designing? Are you still going on with it or are you doing something else?

Nymus

nina's picture

"a possible but maybe improbable way to access Haas Unica"
Nevermind that it's illegal. :-\
I think we all know that torrents are out there; but that's sorta not the point.

Miss Tiffany's picture

You all must realize that type designers hire people to attach viruses to those torrents. Right? ;^P

Nymus's picture

Well, on the other hand I am sure that most of us have tried to buy Hass Unica and couldn't find it anymore.

Which is the complete list of all those that claim to actually hold have its copyrights?

Also another point, as all digital typefoundries and quite a number of typeface designers themselves have been plagiarizing each other (and still do in all sorts of ways and at least just alter typeface names), who is to stop anyone from reconstructing Haas Unica by interpolating Helvetica and Univers and fine tuning the result following the specs posted at Flickr?

And finally calling it Xash Ounika or Kas Onike or some other more appropriately acceptable name?

If one searches here, he will find quite a number of thereads about Unica and also even a reconstruction of one of its weights...

omega's picture

Hehehehehehe... I am sure that what you suggest has already be done and not just once. One has just to look for it and find it...

Another way of course, is to hack-extract it from the PDF file that one can easily find online...

Sinful thoughts...

And yet, I bet that all you guys are nice and proper and wont be tempted at all to do such a thing...

.00's picture

I'm curious if anyone can say why this is no longer available. I have a copy of it from years ago that I purchased from Scangraphic.

I also drew a number of additional weights of it for Glamour Magazine ages ago.

As to Nymus's comment: who is to stop anyone from reconstructing Haas Unica by interpolating Helvetica and Univers and fine tuning the result following the specs posted at Flickr? I can only speak for myself, but what would be the fun in that?

Much better to look at what has been done before and try to do something that builds on that work.

I think one of the reasons so many of you are lusting after Unica, is because it is unavailable.

omega's picture

James you raised some quite interesting points,

- "I’m curious if anyone can say why this is no longer available. I have a copy of it from years ago that I purchased from Scangraphic."

Besides the numerous threads here at Typophile that mentioned some aspects of the Haas Unica copyrights and unavailability, at the following link:

http://cg.scs.carleton.ca/~luc/swiss.html

One can find the reason why Haas Unica is no longer available and about its copyright’s controversies.

Stephen Coles wrote:

-"Scangraphics Digital Type Collection (which included Haas Unica) was purchased by Elsner + Flake in 2003, to which they added font-specific Euro and @ symbols in 2004. The revamped typeface was set to be sold by Scangraphic and its distributors, but Linotype is currently preventing the release, citing trademark violations. Although similarities to other typefaces often occur between foundries, it is rare that one finds typefaces that have been shelved indefinitely due to such resemblances. In truth, the real problem lies within a dispute over who owns the name Haas Unica, rather than any resemblance infringment. Haas Unica is commercially unavailable thanks to Linotype and Scangraphic. Linotype especially stands to lose a lot of Helvetica money if it ever appears."

- "As to Nymus’s comment: who is to stop anyone from reconstructing Haas Unica by interpolating Helvetica and Univers and fine tuning the result following the specs posted at Flickr? I can only speak for myself, but what would be the fun in that?"

Good point if one already has Haas Unica, but if one doesn’t and wants to buy it and can’t, it becomes an entirely different matter… It becomes something like the search for the Holy Grail…

- "Much better to look at what has been done before and try to do something that builds on that work."

Maybe designing a humanist Haas Unica as it was done Stone Humanist or DIN Next or what else do you have in mind?

-"I think one of the reasons so many of you are lusting after Unica, is because it is unavailable."

You are absolutely right!

.00's picture

Good point if one already has Haas Unica, but if one doesn’t and wants to buy it and can’t, it becomes an entirely different matter… It becomes something like the search for the Holy Grail…

I did not make this comment because I already have Unica. I made this comment as a type designer who sees no point in slavishly copying the past. In fact I had forgotten I even owned a copy until I read this thread and it sparked my memory.

or what else do you have in mind? While I think the Helvetica/Unica/Univers is way past its prime, and the thought of a humanist Unica sends shivers down my spine, I have a large grotesque family being released in the next few weeks with the relaunch of the new terminal design website.

Nymus's picture

- “the thought of a humanist Unica sends shivers down my spine…”

It was just an example James, and not meant to be taken literally, and yet as history often repeats itself, a maverick type designer (or a serious and well motivated type design team like Andre Gurtlers’) might just try it, starting by interpolating 30% Helvetica, 30% Univers ( or two other Grotesques) and 60% Frutiger Next or any other recently designed Humanist Sans and go on fine tuning it to perfection. All this is theoritical of course...

- “a large grotesque family being released in the next few weeks…”

Please let me know if you wish when your grotesque family has been released as I am very interested to see it.

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